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<blockquote data-quote="IceFractal" data-source="post: 3889767" data-attributes="member: 27704">In what sense do skill focus and stat bonuses mean &quot;nothing&quot;?&nbsp; Characters in the game world aren't able to see other people's character sheets.&nbsp; There is no way they could tell someone with 10 ranks from someone with 4 ranks, skill focus, and high Int, on the basis of their craftsmanship.Now while it is possible to achieve Masterwork items at 1st level (4 ranks + 3 skill focus + 2 masterwork tool + 1 Int), that makes it a bit too fast, so let's call a &quot;master&quot; someone who can create masterwork items without masterwork tools or assistance.&nbsp; That means:Prodigy: 1st level (4 ranks + 3 focus + 3 Int).&nbsp; This would have to be someone rare - as in PC-grade rare - as with a 16 Int they're not even using the Elite array, much less the Standard one.&nbsp; Dedicated: 3rd level (6 ranks + 3 focus + 1 Int).&nbsp; Someone smart (12-13 is the peak of the Standard array), and who put significant training toward it (feat taken). Average: 7th level (10 ranks).&nbsp; Someone with no inherent aptitude, and not extremely devoted to training, but they're achieved mastery through many years of experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceFractal, post: 3889767, member: 27704"] In what sense do skill focus and stat bonuses mean "nothing"? Characters in the game world aren't able to see other people's character sheets. There is no way they could tell someone with 10 ranks from someone with 4 ranks, skill focus, and high Int, on the basis of their craftsmanship. Now while it is possible to achieve Masterwork items at 1st level (4 ranks + 3 skill focus + 2 masterwork tool + 1 Int), that makes it a bit too fast, so let's call a "master" someone who can create masterwork items without masterwork tools or assistance. That means: Prodigy: 1st level (4 ranks + 3 focus + 3 Int). This would have to be someone rare - as in PC-grade rare - as with a 16 Int they're not even using the Elite array, much less the Standard one. Dedicated: 3rd level (6 ranks + 3 focus + 1 Int). Someone smart (12-13 is the peak of the Standard array), and who put significant training toward it (feat taken). Average: 7th level (10 ranks). Someone with no inherent aptitude, and not extremely devoted to training, but they're achieved mastery through many years of experience. [/QUOTE]

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