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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3576377" data-attributes="member: 29014">Let's consider--he loses no spellcasting except at character level (assume immediate entry, of course) 7 and 9.&nbsp; The Eldritch Knight loses 2 spellcasting levels as well, but loses them at the significantly more painful levels of somewhere between 1 through 6 (usually 1 or 6) and 7.&nbsp; For this, the Eldritch Knight gains 5 extra BAB, a Fighter feat, and +10 HP (equivalent to the new HP feat) and loses out on skills somewhat (Eldritch Knight skill selection is significantly worse than Wizard's).&nbsp; The good Fort is countered by the mysteriously bad Will.So, considering that extra BAB do not synergise particularly well with Wizard (since the class does zero to deal with ASF on armour, and we don't have any of the mondo-stupid-crazy spells like Wraithstrike that ruin your game when used by Eldritch Knights) and the Master Crafter does (Wizard gives you free Craft feats if you want them, Wizards already like to prebuff, etc), we need to ask if the two classes are relatively balanced in what they get for giving up two casting levels (keeping in mind that the EK is hurt more from the casting loss because it gives up the levels earlier before it starts gaining any of the PrC goodies, whereas the MC can take a 1 level dip and then leave the PrC forevermore, and she won't lose a single caster level).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3576377, member: 29014"] Let's consider--he loses no spellcasting except at character level (assume immediate entry, of course) 7 and 9. The Eldritch Knight loses 2 spellcasting levels as well, but loses them at the significantly more painful levels of somewhere between 1 through 6 (usually 1 or 6) and 7. For this, the Eldritch Knight gains 5 extra BAB, a Fighter feat, and +10 HP (equivalent to the new HP feat) and loses out on skills somewhat (Eldritch Knight skill selection is significantly worse than Wizard's). The good Fort is countered by the mysteriously bad Will. So, considering that extra BAB do [I]not[/I] synergise particularly well with Wizard (since the class does zero to deal with ASF on armour, and we don't have any of the mondo-stupid-crazy spells like Wraithstrike that ruin your game when used by Eldritch Knights) and the Master Crafter does (Wizard gives you free Craft feats if you want them, Wizards already like to prebuff, etc), we need to ask if the two classes are relatively balanced in what they get for giving up two casting levels (keeping in mind that the EK is hurt more from the casting loss because it gives up the levels earlier before it starts gaining any of the PrC goodies, whereas the MC can take a 1 level dip and then leave the PrC forevermore, and she won't lose a single caster level). [/QUOTE]

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