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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3577270" data-attributes="member: 29014">What if the MC was also the Trader?&nbsp; What if she wasn't?&nbsp; The issue isn't the Trader's buy price, anyway.&nbsp; I have no problems with buying at 90%.&nbsp; The Trader's ridiculous sell price is a real concern (selling at 90% pretty much breaks balance assumptions on the liquidity of D&amp;D inventory.&nbsp; When you are also buying at the same price and have 100% liquidity, the game becomes very unusual, particularly if you are in the business of crafting--the MC/Trader pair could (even if you disallow buying crafting materials for less) craft items for 40% cost and sell them until they run out of Craft Points to NPCs for 90% cost.Anyway, the issue is really in the balance of MC and Eldritch Knight.&nbsp; Let's compare:Eldritch Knight--loses two levels one from 1-6 (usually 1 or 6) one at 7.&nbsp; Can never avoid losing either of those levels for a dip.MC--loses two levels, at 7 and 9.&nbsp; Can avoid losing any levels with a single-level dip and still get a bit of Imbue and Master Craftsman.&nbsp; A Wizard, who gets Scribe Scroll automatically, gets that PrC level for free beyond the skill point assignment.&nbsp; Can avoid losing the second level by stopping at PrC level 3, gaining a bonus feat and two price deductions (many people would consider this--I don't really like the capstone ability, so the only reason to take the second caster level hit is to grab the increasing power of Imbue).Eldritch Knight--d6 HDMC--d6 HDEldritch Knight--Fighter BABMC--Cleric BABEldritch Knight--1 bonus featMC--2 bonus featsEldritch Knight--1 good saveMC--1 good saveEldritch Knight--Takes up 10 levels, so you lose out on 10 other PrC levels, two bonus feats, etcMC--Takes up 5 levels, so you lose out on 5 other PrC levels, one bonus feat, etcEldritch Knight--nothing else (despite having 10 levels)MC--Master Craftsman, Imbue Item, Guild Member, Resourceful Crafter, Eldritch Crafter, Cerebral Crafter (all in those 5 levels)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3577270, member: 29014"] What if the MC [I]was[/I] also the Trader? What if she wasn't? The issue isn't the Trader's buy price, anyway. I have no problems with buying at 90%. The Trader's ridiculous sell price is a real concern (selling at 90% pretty much breaks balance assumptions on the liquidity of D&D inventory. When you are also buying at the same price and have 100% liquidity, the game becomes very unusual, particularly if you are in the business of crafting--the MC/Trader pair could (even if you disallow buying crafting materials for less) craft items for 40% cost and sell them until they run out of Craft Points to NPCs for 90% cost. Anyway, the issue is really in the balance of MC and Eldritch Knight. Let's compare: Eldritch Knight--loses two levels one from 1-6 (usually 1 or 6) one at 7. Can never avoid losing either of those levels for a dip. MC--loses two levels, at 7 and 9. Can avoid losing any levels with a single-level dip and still get a bit of Imbue and Master Craftsman. A Wizard, who gets Scribe Scroll automatically, gets that PrC level for free beyond the skill point assignment. Can avoid losing the second level by stopping at PrC level 3, gaining a bonus feat and two price deductions (many people would consider this--I don't really like the capstone ability, so the only reason to take the second caster level hit is to grab the increasing power of Imbue). Eldritch Knight--d6 HD MC--d6 HD Eldritch Knight--Fighter BAB MC--Cleric BAB Eldritch Knight--1 bonus feat MC--2 bonus feats Eldritch Knight--1 good save MC--1 good save Eldritch Knight--Takes up 10 levels, so you lose out on 10 other PrC levels, two bonus feats, etc MC--Takes up 5 levels, so you lose out on 5 other PrC levels, one bonus feat, etc Eldritch Knight--nothing else (despite having 10 levels) MC--Master Craftsman, Imbue Item, Guild Member, Resourceful Crafter, Eldritch Crafter, Cerebral Crafter (all in those 5 levels) [/QUOTE]

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