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<blockquote data-quote="B4cchus" data-source="post: 3577543" data-attributes="member: 35026">RA: To continue on your EK /MC comparison:- first off, i agree with Rea in the fact that EK is underopowered. Ever looked at classes such as ordained champion or abjurant champion?- the bonus feats from EK are fighter bonus feats. The MC can only choose from a item creation feat, skill focus or talented crafter. Not even Metamagics like a wizard can.- the entry requirements from EK are not very steep. At worst two levels in fighter*, at best one level (just start later). MC requires three skills at 8 ranks and a feat. *or any other class that grants good bab and weapon proficy, like 2 levels paladin and get your cha to all your saves as a kicker, very nice for sorcerers. - Dropping out of MC at level three costs you: 2 imbue points, a feat and (in my opinion) the capstone ability: eldritch/cerebral crafter.In conclusion, i don't think it is a very good comparison to take a gish PrC and compare it to the MC. MC is not a 'multiclass' Prc as the EK or AT. A comparison between those two, like Rea said, also points out the EK as underpowered.-ther EK does not take 10 levels. There is no reason to not drop out earlier in favor of other PrC's. It only grants you more hp and BaB, no capstones which require you to stay in longer.-the comparison that MC grants extra abilities and MC does is an invalid argument alltogether in my opinion. In such a view the only balanced class would be a cleric or sorcerer, since those are the only ones that does not grant anything aside caster increase (and turn undead) and we all know that is hardly the case.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="B4cchus, post: 3577543, member: 35026"] RA: To continue on your EK /MC comparison: - first off, i agree with Rea in the fact that EK is underopowered. Ever looked at classes such as ordained champion or abjurant champion? - the bonus feats from EK are fighter bonus feats. The MC can only choose from a item creation feat, skill focus or talented crafter. Not even Metamagics like a wizard can. - the entry requirements from EK are not very steep. At worst two levels in fighter*, at best one level (just start later). MC requires three skills at 8 ranks and a feat. *or any other class that grants good bab and weapon proficy, like 2 levels paladin and get your cha to all your saves as a kicker, very nice for sorcerers. - Dropping out of MC at level three costs you: 2 imbue points, a feat and (in my opinion) the capstone ability: eldritch/cerebral crafter. In conclusion, i don't think it is a very good comparison to take a gish PrC and compare it to the MC. MC is not a 'multiclass' Prc as the EK or AT. A comparison between those two, like Rea said, also points out the EK as underpowered. -ther EK does not take 10 levels. There is no reason to not drop out earlier in favor of other PrC's. It only grants you more hp and BaB, no capstones which require you to stay in longer. -the comparison that MC grants extra abilities and MC does is an invalid argument alltogether in my opinion. In such a view the only balanced class would be a cleric or sorcerer, since those are the only ones that does not grant anything aside caster increase (and turn undead) and we all know that is hardly the case. [/QUOTE]

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