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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Halford" data-source="post: 4250864" data-attributes="member: 64844">And I'm really offended, I just recognize the legitimacy of the concern.  Its no fun being significantly less powerful than members of the group, but at the same time is awkward telling someone that their character is too powerful and has to be toned down.  Things are generally easier if a group has a common level of power, but that doesn't often happen.  I generally just settle for doing what I want if it is within the permitted guidelines and let the DM tell me whether its permissable or not.Good grief, you are right, and there I go assuming that they would have magic circle becuase otherwise having planar binding is completely pointless... *sigh*On a unrelated note, I am somewhat surprised that no one has even mentioned considering the excellent Initiate of the Sevefold Veil one of my all time favorite Arcane Prestiege classes.  Ultimate Magus from Complete Mage is also well worth considering for those looking for cool character concepts.</blockquote>