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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 116506" data-attributes="member: 114">I have seen too many people still play a 3 Cha as "rude", when in actual fact it means "has a low personal strength", probably best taken as low confidence in own abilities (as compared to the average Sorcerer of Paladin who has tremendous confidence in their abilities). It is interesting that the Monster Manual says this about Charisma:"Any creature capable of telling the difference between itself and things that are not itself has at least 1 point of Charisma. Anything with no charisma score is an object."The Half-Orcs charisma penalty could quite reasonably be seen as a lack-of-confidence penalty because they are outsiders to the race of either parent.BTW, Mike Tyson could easily have a high Charisma in this situation, if he has a very high sense of "self". A High Charisma doesn't have to mean personable and nice (although it could), but rather someone with a driving confidence in themselves...===re: the Tempest - looking at its class abilities it hardly seems to be a killer class that needs things left out for balancing purposes. The abilities which it has are mostly feeble. The Singh Rager would be a far more useful class for a two-weapon fighting specialist, simply because it has the "pounce" ability, allowing a full attack at the end of a charge.Cheers</blockquote>