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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Archimago" data-source="post: 116974" data-attributes="member: 1204">I have to agree that CHA, not STR should be used for intimidation. Let's use Mike Tyson as an example. People keep speaking of Mike's physical presense as the source of his intimidation. I don't think it is because Mike is below average size for a heavyweight. He's only abou 5'10/11 220ish. Current champ Lennoc Lewis is 6'5 250ish. Yet in the boxing community Tyson is feared and Lewis is not. The real world reason is that Tyson comes off as nuts; you just never know when he's going to bite off your ear. This is his reputation and his persona in the ring, on camera, in interview, and before fights. Mike Tyson tries to intimidate people, its his schtick, and he does it by the way he looks, the way he acts, and the strange things he says (ie. one time he said he'd eat a challenger's children), not his size. With that said, I think'll appropriate the house rule someone suggested: STR check DC 20 for +2 intimidate, -2 on failure, because acts of strength can be part of the intimidation.</blockquote>