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<blockquote data-quote="Axiomatic Unicorn" data-source="post: 117620" data-attributes="member: 1974">Again I agree that your points are reasonable.&nbsp; I particularly agree that WoTC has not been consistent.&nbsp; But I don't buy your example of the Strength 8 rogue.&nbsp; You have forced him to use brute strength as an element of intimidation.&nbsp; There is no reason that need be the case.&nbsp; I would see the case you described as being a case where the Rogue either had few ranks or made a bad roll, either way he did not come up with a good threat.On the other hand you have described the Cha 8 barbarian as miming and giving a twisted snear.&nbsp; You have ignored the effect an 8 CHR would have on his ability to pull this off well.&nbsp; Does an 8 mean he can not do it?&nbsp; Not at all, it only gives a simple -1 on a d20 roll.&nbsp; It just means there is a small chance his self-consciousness will cause him to drop a walnut, thereby looking stupid instead of scary. Or any of a hundred other explanations for why his lack of personal strength would over-ride his physical strength in a social interaction.&nbsp; Maybe he tries to snear and just makes a stupid face.&nbsp; The details don't matter.&nbsp; I just don't buy the &quot;almost&quot;.&nbsp; Given an appropriate display of strength, certain circumstances should certainly allow a bonus, but high or low CHR should always play into social interaction.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Axiomatic Unicorn, post: 117620, member: 1974"] Again I agree that your points are reasonable. I particularly agree that WoTC has not been consistent. But I don't buy your example of the Strength 8 rogue. You have forced him to use brute strength as an element of intimidation. There is no reason that need be the case. I would see the case you described as being a case where the Rogue either had few ranks or made a bad roll, either way he did not come up with a good threat. On the other hand you have described the Cha 8 barbarian as miming and giving a twisted snear. You have ignored the effect an 8 CHR would have on his ability to pull this off well. Does an 8 mean he can not do it? Not at all, it only gives a simple -1 on a d20 roll. It just means there is a small chance his self-consciousness will cause him to drop a walnut, thereby looking stupid instead of scary. Or any of a hundred other explanations for why his lack of personal strength would over-ride his physical strength in a social interaction. Maybe he tries to snear and just makes a stupid face. The details don't matter. I just don't buy the "almost". Given an appropriate display of strength, certain circumstances should certainly allow a bonus, but high or low CHR should always play into social interaction. [/QUOTE]

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