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<blockquote data-quote="Axiomatic Unicorn" data-source="post: 117660" data-attributes="member: 1974">That was me.&nbsp; But I never said fear was not a part of it.&nbsp; I said fear was the tool.&nbsp; If you don't have the tool, your skill doesn't matter.&nbsp; All I was saying was that fear is only part of the job.As to the rest of your comments, you have made a strong case for why it is correct to have Intimidate as a class skill for Barbarians, but does not do anything to convince me that strength itself is intimidating.&nbsp; If STR were the issue, fighters would be just as intimidating as barbarians.&nbsp; But you discussion is clearly focused on the justification for Barbarians and does not work for &quot;civilized&quot; fighters.&nbsp; Everything you have said is allowed for by having Intimidate be a class skill.&nbsp; A Level 5 CHA 10 (or even 8) Barbarian can easily have 8 ranks in Intimidate and will probably be the most effective intimidator in the party.&nbsp; So your claims are already met by the existing system.&nbsp; I would include this as an example of having ranks in intimidate.&nbsp; In the end, ranks are more important than which ability you use.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Axiomatic Unicorn, post: 117660, member: 1974"] That was me. But I never said fear was not a part of it. I said fear was the tool. If you don't have the tool, your skill doesn't matter. All I was saying was that fear is only part of the job. As to the rest of your comments, you have made a strong case for why it is correct to have Intimidate as a class skill for Barbarians, but does not do anything to convince me that strength itself is intimidating. If STR were the issue, fighters would be just as intimidating as barbarians. But you discussion is clearly focused on the justification for Barbarians and does not work for "civilized" fighters. Everything you have said is allowed for by having Intimidate be a class skill. A Level 5 CHA 10 (or even 8) Barbarian can easily have 8 ranks in Intimidate and will probably be the most effective intimidator in the party. So your claims are already met by the existing system. I would include this as an example of having ranks in intimidate. In the end, ranks are more important than which ability you use. [/QUOTE]

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