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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Killer Shrike" data-source="post: 118133" data-attributes="member: 1829"> Yes yes, all granted. However, in 3e terms, a Dwarf is less Intimidating than an elf, which is just back-asswards IMO. Sacred cow, 'artifact of legacy system', or intentional Dwarves are given a penalty to Cha instead of, say, Dex. Based on this, I merely raised the point to foil the running "Charisma=Self Confidence" fallacy.Charisma is certainly the least well defined ability. Also, it is often unclear what the rhyme or reason is to many creatures stat allocations in the various monster tomes (and not just Cha).All that aside, I dont buy into the "Half-Orcs are half breeds, therefore they are innately less self-confident and suffer a Cha penalty, which has the side effect of making them less Intimidating than an Elf on average just because Intimidate is assigned to Cha" concept. All that aside again, this is all immaterial to the question at hand, which is 'Does the variant Str based Intimidate give Barbarians an unfair or unbalancing ability". I dont think that it does. Its certainly not the most graceful way of handling the (real or perceived) rules disconnect, but it is possibly the easiest solution and simplicity is often its own virtue.</blockquote>