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<blockquote data-quote="Wolfen Priest" data-source="post: 126307" data-attributes="member: 3909">All this talk about Mike Tyson having low charisma, high STR, etc. has got me thinking.&nbsp; Mike Tyson probably has pretty high STR, yes.&nbsp; He would also qualify as a VERY high-level character (I'm tempted to say monk, but in a D&amp;D world, he'd be a barbarian, I bet).&nbsp; So let's say he is a level 20 barbarian (I mean hey, he's probably one of the world's greatest ever).Add to that the fact that his charisma is probably not necessarily THAT low.&nbsp; I would say maybe 10 or so.&nbsp; Then again, who knows?But my main point is this:&nbsp; his alignment is probably chaotic evil.&nbsp; So you have a level 20 character who is chaotic evil threatening you... If I were the DM, intimidate wouldn't really be needed; if you don't do what he says, he'll kill you.I think intimidate is used when you otherwise would not *necessarily* be able to kill the guy.&nbsp; Otherwise, like some others have said, why not just use INT for a wizard, etc etc.... I mean hey: why not just use level, since in D&amp;D that is the key criteria for being able to beat up another guy?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wolfen Priest, post: 126307, member: 3909"] All this talk about Mike Tyson having low charisma, high STR, etc. has got me thinking. Mike Tyson probably has pretty high STR, yes. He would also qualify as a VERY high-level character (I'm tempted to say monk, but in a D&D world, he'd be a barbarian, I bet). So let's say he is a level 20 barbarian (I mean hey, he's probably one of the world's greatest ever). Add to that the fact that his charisma is probably not necessarily THAT low. I would say maybe 10 or so. Then again, who knows? But my main point is this: his alignment is probably chaotic evil. So you have a level 20 character who is chaotic evil threatening you... If I were the DM, intimidate wouldn't really be needed; if you don't do what he says, he'll kill you. I think intimidate is used when you otherwise would not *necessarily* be able to kill the guy. Otherwise, like some others have said, why not just use INT for a wizard, etc etc.... I mean hey: why not just use level, since in D&D that is the key criteria for being able to beat up another guy? [/QUOTE]

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