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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6188091" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Any time I've heard of a DM who allows all sources, what I hear are the complaints from the DM.Some players hear the word &quot;maximum&quot; and consider that to mean &quot;minimum&quot;.&nbsp; As in, the max the DM will allow is the minimum acceptable.&nbsp; They always try to stretch the limits.I've had five players come to my table in recent months.&nbsp; To each of them I said the same things:&nbsp; &quot;PHB 1 and 2, DMG 1 and 2, the Completes, MM1, and the three environment books.&nbsp; 32 point build.&nbsp; Spells and items from other sources (such as Spell Compendium and Magic Item Compendium) are allowed on a case by case basis.&quot;From this I've gotten exactly one who didn't roll their stats (and all always rolled very well), and all of them reached into other books.&nbsp; One managed to use exactly none of the books I mentioned.&nbsp; Heroes of Horror, Libris Mortis, Fiend Folio, Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness.&nbsp; He left the game after he discovered that we were serious about those limits.Two of the players are still with us, and both of them used Savage Species for their base races.So to ask if players will try to exceed the limits is like asking if water is wet.Okay, that's not exactly fair.&nbsp; Most of the players in my group are happy with the scope of books we've allowed.&nbsp; They voted for that range, in fact.&nbsp; But the temptation to exceed the limits is always there for some.As for what sources we use:&nbsp; See above.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6188091, member: 6669384"] Any time I've heard of a DM who allows all sources, what I hear are the complaints from the DM. Some players hear the word "maximum" and consider that to mean "minimum". As in, the max the DM will allow is the minimum acceptable. They always try to stretch the limits. I've had five players come to my table in recent months. To each of them I said the same things: "PHB 1 and 2, DMG 1 and 2, the Completes, MM1, and the three environment books. 32 point build. Spells and items from other sources (such as Spell Compendium and Magic Item Compendium) are allowed on a case by case basis." From this I've gotten exactly one who didn't roll their stats (and all always rolled very well), and all of them reached into other books. One managed to use exactly none of the books I mentioned. Heroes of Horror, Libris Mortis, Fiend Folio, Book of Exalted Deeds and Book of Vile Darkness. He left the game after he discovered that we were serious about those limits. Two of the players are still with us, and both of them used Savage Species for their base races. So to ask if players will try to exceed the limits is like asking if water is wet. Okay, that's not exactly fair. Most of the players in my group are happy with the scope of books we've allowed. They voted for that range, in fact. But the temptation to exceed the limits is always there for some. As for what sources we use: See above. [/QUOTE]

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