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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4737440" data-attributes="member: 9789">continuing the original postTwo more points:First, I highly recommend starting loot for level 2 to be an n-1 item and n-1 gold, and starting loot for level 3 to be n, n-1, and n-1 gold.&nbsp; This &quot;evens out&quot; the math nicely regardless of which tact you take.&nbsp; This is included in the original post but I wanted to draw it out specifically.&nbsp; For those interested in the percentages, that gives 95.74% for level 2 and 94.30% for level 3.&nbsp; (Yes, those are high, but they're still less than 100% and you don't have much room to work with.)&nbsp; Note that not including the starting 100g is important as this actually makes it worse.Second, for those interested in the n+2 option for level 9 and above, here is a chart for loot percentages against the DMG guidelines, just for reference.[sblock][code]str lvl&nbsp; &nbsp; DMG tot&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; %1&nbsp; &nbsp; 100&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2760&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 367.02%3&nbsp; &nbsp; 3560&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 195.18%4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 149.52%5&nbsp; &nbsp; 7080&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 130.15%6&nbsp; &nbsp; 9800&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 118.93%7&nbsp; &nbsp; 13800&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 115.00%8&nbsp; &nbsp; 17800&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 102.53%9&nbsp; &nbsp; 25000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 100.16%10&nbsp; &nbsp; 35400&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 99.89%11&nbsp; &nbsp; 49000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 99.11%12&nbsp; &nbsp; 69000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 101.11%13&nbsp; &nbsp; 89000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 93.64%14&nbsp; &nbsp; 125000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 93.96%15&nbsp; &nbsp; 177000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 95.45%16&nbsp; &nbsp; 245000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 95.91%17&nbsp; &nbsp; 345000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 98.73%18&nbsp; &nbsp; 445000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 92.05%19&nbsp; &nbsp; 625000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 92.81%20&nbsp; &nbsp; 885000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 94.61%21&nbsp; &nbsp; 1225000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 95.30%22&nbsp; &nbsp; 1725000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 98.27%23&nbsp; &nbsp; 2225000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 91.74%24&nbsp; &nbsp; 3125000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 92.58%25&nbsp; &nbsp; 4425000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 94.44%26&nbsp; &nbsp; 6125000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 95.18%27&nbsp; &nbsp; 8625000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 98.17%28&nbsp; &nbsp; 11125000&nbsp; &nbsp; 95.61%29&nbsp; &nbsp; 13125000&nbsp; &nbsp; 88.17%30&nbsp; &nbsp; 17750000&nbsp; &nbsp; 96.28%[/code][/sblock]Again, the levels 2-8 options are really unusable and the total spikes just over 100% at levels 9 and 12.&nbsp; Otherwise, the numbers fall around 92% - 98%, for an average of 95.6%.The level 29 one is low because there is no n+2 for 29, so I used a level 30 - this took a big hit as you can see, relative to the other numbers.&nbsp; For level 30, I counted n+1 as a 30 but n+2 as two 30s, which brought it back in line.&nbsp; In other words, using this system and starting at level 30 gives you four level 30 items, one level 29, and gold equal to a level 29 item.&nbsp; Seeing as it is level 30 and the game pretty much breaks for everyone at that point, I didn't think anyone would mind.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Edit:&nbsp; And just for Evilhalfling, here's the chart for adding an n-1 item, so you'll know what you're choosing:[sblock][code]str lvl&nbsp; &nbsp; DMG tot&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; %1&nbsp; &nbsp; 100&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2280&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 303.19%3&nbsp; &nbsp; 3080&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 168.86%4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3880&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 116.03%5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5320&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 97.79%6&nbsp; &nbsp; 7400&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 89.81%7&nbsp; &nbsp; 11400&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 95.00%8&nbsp; &nbsp; 15400&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 88.71%9&nbsp; &nbsp; 19400&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 77.72%10&nbsp; &nbsp; 26600&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 75.06%11&nbsp; &nbsp; 37000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 74.84%12&nbsp; &nbsp; 57000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 83.53%13&nbsp; &nbsp; 77000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 81.02%14&nbsp; &nbsp; 97000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 72.91%15&nbsp; &nbsp; 133000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 71.72%16&nbsp; &nbsp; 185000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 72.42%17&nbsp; &nbsp; 285000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 81.56%18&nbsp; &nbsp; 385000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 79.64%19&nbsp; &nbsp; 485000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 72.02%20&nbsp; &nbsp; 665000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 71.09%21&nbsp; &nbsp; 925000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 71.96%22&nbsp; &nbsp; 1425000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 81.18%23&nbsp; &nbsp; 1925000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 79.37%24&nbsp; &nbsp; 2425000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 71.84%25&nbsp; &nbsp; 3325000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 70.96%26&nbsp; &nbsp; 4625000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 71.87%27&nbsp; &nbsp; 7125000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 81.10%28&nbsp; &nbsp; 9625000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 82.72%29&nbsp; &nbsp; 12125000&nbsp; &nbsp; 81.46%30&nbsp; &nbsp; 14125000&nbsp; &nbsp; 76.62%[/code][/sblock]Average for levels 9-30:&nbsp; 76.48%.&nbsp; (Also used a level 30 for n+1 for starting at 30.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 4737440, member: 9789"] [b]continuing the original post[/b] Two more points: First, I highly recommend [B]starting loot for level 2 to be an n-1 item and n-1 gold[/B], and [B]starting loot for level 3 to be n, n-1, and n-1 gold[/B]. This "evens out" the math nicely regardless of which tact you take. This is included in the original post but I wanted to draw it out specifically. For those interested in the percentages, that gives 95.74% for level 2 and 94.30% for level 3. (Yes, those are high, but they're still less than 100% and you don't have much room to work with.) Note that not including the starting 100g is important as this actually makes it worse. Second, for those interested in the n+2 option for level 9 and above, here is a chart for loot percentages against the DMG guidelines, just for reference. [sblock] [code] str lvl DMG tot % 1 100 2 2760 367.02% 3 3560 195.18% 4 5000 149.52% 5 7080 130.15% 6 9800 118.93% 7 13800 115.00% 8 17800 102.53% 9 25000 100.16% 10 35400 99.89% 11 49000 99.11% 12 69000 101.11% 13 89000 93.64% 14 125000 93.96% 15 177000 95.45% 16 245000 95.91% 17 345000 98.73% 18 445000 92.05% 19 625000 92.81% 20 885000 94.61% 21 1225000 95.30% 22 1725000 98.27% 23 2225000 91.74% 24 3125000 92.58% 25 4425000 94.44% 26 6125000 95.18% 27 8625000 98.17% 28 11125000 95.61% 29 13125000 88.17% 30 17750000 96.28% [/code] [/sblock]Again, the levels 2-8 options are really unusable and the total spikes just over 100% at levels 9 and 12. Otherwise, the numbers fall [B]around 92% - 98%[/B], for an average of 95.6%. The level 29 one is low because there is no n+2 for 29, so I used a level 30 - this took a big hit as you can see, relative to the other numbers. For level 30, I counted n+1 as a 30 but n+2 as [I]two[/I] 30s, which brought it back in line. In other words, using this system and starting at level 30 gives you four level 30 items, one level 29, and gold equal to a level 29 item. Seeing as it is level [I]30[/I] and the game pretty much breaks for everyone at that point, I didn't think anyone would mind. :) Edit: And just for Evilhalfling, here's the chart for adding an n-1 item, so you'll know what you're choosing: [sblock] [code] str lvl DMG tot % 1 100 2 2280 303.19% 3 3080 168.86% 4 3880 116.03% 5 5320 97.79% 6 7400 89.81% 7 11400 95.00% 8 15400 88.71% 9 19400 77.72% 10 26600 75.06% 11 37000 74.84% 12 57000 83.53% 13 77000 81.02% 14 97000 72.91% 15 133000 71.72% 16 185000 72.42% 17 285000 81.56% 18 385000 79.64% 19 485000 72.02% 20 665000 71.09% 21 925000 71.96% 22 1425000 81.18% 23 1925000 79.37% 24 2425000 71.84% 25 3325000 70.96% 26 4625000 71.87% 27 7125000 81.10% 28 9625000 82.72% 29 12125000 81.46% 30 14125000 76.62% [/code] [/sblock]Average for levels 9-30: 76.48%. (Also used a level 30 for n+1 for starting at 30.) [/QUOTE]

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