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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6332646" data-attributes="member: 18">Fair enough, I think we must have entirely different definitions of "rocket launcher" in this context, which is not surprising! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm not sure it's as simple as that. In fact I'm sure, from long experience of different games and players and groups that it isn't as simple as that. I do find our positions are kind of mirrored from the "electronic devices" discussion, though - with me, there, saying "Oh just set expectations, it's not the devices at fault!" and you say "Well, that wasn't enough, we had to ban them entirely". So perhaps I can understand your position there a bit better now! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />A recent example of setting expectations not being enough would be SR5. Both the players in my little SR group are non-extreme optimizers, but optimizers, both intelligent, articulate, and good at logic and math. I talked with them about what sort of dice-pools I expected to see, put in a bunch of house rules limiting or enabling stuff that I knew would be a problem/not work well under the default SR5 rules (in part relying on more experienced SR5 DMs that I knew), but we still saw issues, very much math-related, system-related ones, and ones that even with advice, even with system familiarity, I hadn't been able to anticipate (though I was glad for some of the stuff I had got ahead of!). So now I'm left with house-ruling or just rolling with it. If it was a larger group, I think it'd have been a real problem, but with two, not much.Anyway, I'm maundering on, so I'll stop!</blockquote>

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