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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9323467" data-attributes="member: 18">You're confused because you failed to follow the discussion. We're talking primarily about low-level churn.Your whole point is fundamentally irrelevant as I said - if people don't stay dead people don't get upset.So the question was already answered, if you actually followed the discussion.Why on earth is this spoiler-blocked? I'm de-blocking it.You're talking about two optional books, and an Eberron setting book. So, no, my claim isn't false. Quite the contrary - that rather supports my position.Instead of making dodgy references, why don't we quote spellcasting services from the PHB:Thanks for helping to show I was correct, and saving me from having to find the exact thing myself. What I said was:As you have helped demonstrate, that is correct. It is 100% up to the DM whether anything at all is available.Let's look at your other examples - XGE's Religious Service downtime option - you can earn 1 (2 on a crit) by spending downtime working for the church. Here's what a favour is:Which is lovely, but from the PHB we already know the DM tells you whether this is available and sets the prices. So you've got 50% off whatever the DM thought they'd charge normally. Which could be anything from a reasonable price to an unreasonable one to "they just don't do/have that".What about Tasha's? You're referring to "Religious Order" as in the Patron of the PCs is a religious order.The benefits of having a Religious Order Patron for the party rather than other are:So if the following is true:1) You are playing in a game where the party has a Patron.2) The party agreed with should be a Religious Order.Then yes you can get official access to "spells up to 5th level".The Eberron references appear to be to this Religious Order Patron as well.So again, you've shown I'm correct. RAW/RAI, the DM determines if any spells are available or not, and what they cost.</blockquote>

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