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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 9622659" data-attributes="member: 2013">There are kind of two different intertwined threads going on in this video:1. Trying out RPGs that are not D&amp;D.2. Playgroups where the players expect the DM to do the prep work but they do not want to do any work other than show up. (This is the &quot;Forever DM&quot; or &quot;my players would never run&quot;).Note for #2 he explicitly excludes DMs that WANT to do the prep work and enjoy DM'ing. He's really talking about group dynamics where most of the group &quot;expect&quot; to be able to &quot;leech&quot; off the work of someone else.His hypothesis seems to be that there is a correlation between a group's willingness to try RPGs that are not D&amp;D and the willingness of all players to &quot;contribute to the group&quot; (by &quot;running&quot; or by &quot;being the DM&quot;). Of course, there's the correlation versus causation question - does trying out new RPGs with your group cause more players to be willing to take on the DM mantle, or does more players being willing to take on the DM mantle cause a group to try more games? (Matt's comments tend toward concluding it's the second, but then spends time trying to convince people to try new RPGs, which is kind of backwards - if the cause of not trying new RPGs is that players don't want to put forth effort, encouraging them to put in the effort to learn a new game seems kind of self-defeating).I think rather than talking about all the different games one might try in an attempt to &quot;convince&quot; players to put forth the effort required to try one, he might have had better luck focusing on the anecdotes of DM's talking to him about being sad their friends will never run a game because they'd like to play once in a while. I think you'll have better luck getting players to empathize with their DM friend than trying to encourage them to do something they've already shown they don't want to do because &quot;it's fun&quot; or &quot;it's different&quot; or &quot;it's exciting&quot; - instead it should be &quot;because you don't want to burn your friend out.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 9622659, member: 2013"] There are kind of two different intertwined threads going on in this video: 1. Trying out RPGs that are not D&D. 2. Playgroups where the players expect the DM to do the prep work but they do not want to do any work other than show up. (This is the "Forever DM" or "my players would never run"). Note for #2 he explicitly excludes DMs that WANT to do the prep work and enjoy DM'ing. He's really talking about group dynamics where most of the group "expect" to be able to "leech" off the work of someone else. His hypothesis seems to be that there is a correlation between a group's willingness to try RPGs that are not D&D and the willingness of all players to "contribute to the group" (by "running" or by "being the DM"). Of course, there's the correlation versus causation question - does trying out new RPGs with your group cause more players to be willing to take on the DM mantle, or does more players being willing to take on the DM mantle cause a group to try more games? (Matt's comments tend toward concluding it's the second, but then spends time trying to convince people to try new RPGs, which is kind of backwards - if the cause of not trying new RPGs is that players don't want to put forth effort, encouraging them to put in the effort to learn a new game seems kind of self-defeating). I think rather than talking about all the different games one might try in an attempt to "convince" players to put forth the effort required to try one, he might have had better luck focusing on the anecdotes of DM's talking to him about being sad their friends will never run a game because they'd like to play once in a while. I think you'll have better luck getting players to empathize with their DM friend than trying to encourage them to do something they've already shown they don't want to do because "it's fun" or "it's different" or "it's exciting" - instead it should be "because you don't want to burn your friend out." [/QUOTE]

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