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<blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 1446592" data-attributes="member: 743"><p>At 11th level when you first get to do this trick, the difference is an average of caster level 10 dispelled versus an automatic caster level 19. 9 is "a couple"? Even at 16th level the difference 4 levels (19th vs. 15th). 4 is "a couple"? You have to get to 20th level before GDM even equals Maximized DM with an average roll. Yeah, that's balanced...</p><p></p><p>Yes, if you roll a 20 at 11th level you greater dispel will do better by one caster level. But does it really need to?</p><p></p><p>The risk is that you lose a crapload of nice gear that you would have gotten had you maximized a Greater Dispel. If you allow things like this in your game, I can see why the Miniatures Handbook has proposed no balance issues for you.</p><p></p><p>No, I'm saying that maximized Greater Dispel is even more powerful than the horribly powerful Disjunction. It still takes out every buff your foe has, can't destroy the loot, doesn't risk your foe having an artifact, and can't possibly catch any of your buffed companions in its radius. You have to be facing multiple highly buffed foes that haven't closed to melee for MDJ to even be considered over max GDM.</p><p></p><p>Maximize is already a valuable feat, it doesn't need to become a Disjoin that takes out every spell on your opponent. And I really don't understand how you can say it "isn't much more powerful". Apparently we are not only using different definitions of the word balance, but we're also using different definitions of "much" and/or a different system of mathematics.</p><p></p><p>Yes, Disjunction is a powerful spell, and I house rule it in my games to make it useful but not a party-killer. Its existance is not grounds for making another feat and spell combination vastly superior to disjunction unless facing multiple foes that haven't closed to melee with the party yet. YMMV</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James McMurray, post: 1446592, member: 743"] At 11th level when you first get to do this trick, the difference is an average of caster level 10 dispelled versus an automatic caster level 19. 9 is "a couple"? Even at 16th level the difference 4 levels (19th vs. 15th). 4 is "a couple"? You have to get to 20th level before GDM even equals Maximized DM with an average roll. Yeah, that's balanced... Yes, if you roll a 20 at 11th level you greater dispel will do better by one caster level. But does it really need to? The risk is that you lose a crapload of nice gear that you would have gotten had you maximized a Greater Dispel. If you allow things like this in your game, I can see why the Miniatures Handbook has proposed no balance issues for you. No, I'm saying that maximized Greater Dispel is even more powerful than the horribly powerful Disjunction. It still takes out every buff your foe has, can't destroy the loot, doesn't risk your foe having an artifact, and can't possibly catch any of your buffed companions in its radius. You have to be facing multiple highly buffed foes that haven't closed to melee for MDJ to even be considered over max GDM. Maximize is already a valuable feat, it doesn't need to become a Disjoin that takes out every spell on your opponent. And I really don't understand how you can say it "isn't much more powerful". Apparently we are not only using different definitions of the word balance, but we're also using different definitions of "much" and/or a different system of mathematics. Yes, Disjunction is a powerful spell, and I house rule it in my games to make it useful but not a party-killer. Its existance is not grounds for making another feat and spell combination vastly superior to disjunction unless facing multiple foes that haven't closed to melee with the party yet. YMMV [/QUOTE]
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