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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 1446909" data-attributes="member: 743">An ioun stone for +1 caster level would be 30,000gp. What other items are there? I could be wrong, but don't most dictionaries define "couple" as "two"? Again, more proof we're using the same words to mean different things.The vast majority of the time, the ability to dispel anything that a remove curse can remove is not a big deal. Certainly not enough to warrant using it over maximized dispel magic. Got a problem with a curse? Memorize a Remove Curse.You're preaching to the choir here. I already said that I house rule MDJ to make it more palatable to my group. I was just refuting your assertion that there are no risks involved in casting MDJ, something that is demonstrably not true.Isn't that nice. You like something, so disregard others' opinions as having "no reason." Good job.a) "There is nothing wrong with the miniatures handbook"b) "every book will have a few problems"thus we can deducec) The Miniatures Handbook is not a book.Intriguing. Not only are we using different dictionaries and math, we're also using different ruls for what makes an argument valid and sound.It only has one "in your opinion." But I don't have it with me so I can't point to the rest of them. And as you said in another thread "this thread isnt about that."Targetted maximized Dispel Magic will take out all of the buffs on one person, unless that person is caster level 20. Targetted maximized Greater Dispel Magic will take out all of the buffs on one person, unless that person is caster level 29. I think you are way overstating your case. Can you give instances where maximied dispel isn't more powerful than a non-maximized dispel? Other than "you need to remove a curse or your foe is 20th level." That is a pretty shallow case.Looking back at my posts I fail to see where I ever said anything about there being a single foe with thousands of buufs that can't work without them. If you're trying to take out any spell except those that require remove curse, a maximized dispel magic is better than a greater dispel magic until you begin facing spells with a caster level of 20. In most cases the differential is quite large.  Or its only a "couple" of levels, depending on whether we use Webster's or Scion's dictionary.Just because you ignore things I say doesn't mean I didn't say them. How is +9 "slightly better"? For that matter, how is +6 "slightly better"? You keep saying maximize has few uses. I disagree. I think maximize is a fine metamagic feat as written. Granted it isn't as powerful as some, but its better than others.Its weaker if you don't mind destroying the gear you would have gotten when the foe is killed. Its weaker if you don't mind risking catching your allies in the area of effect and posible destroying their gear. In other words, its only sometimes weaker.If your foe is 30th caster level. How often does that happen? Yep, dispel does nothing to destroy your gear or the loot. I would rather just debuff my foe and then reap the rewards. That's one for you, two for me.Looks like we're tied at one for one. Technically though, you'll never reduce it to 0%, because no matter what you do, a 1 will always fail. An even if you do manage to keep your spellcasting abilities, what about the powerful being whose interest you just attracted. I hope it isn't someone who didn't want that artifact destroyed.I already have. Try scrolling up. Until you can do that, my end of this conversation is over.</blockquote>

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