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<blockquote data-quote="Slife" data-source="post: 4105670" data-attributes="member: 16347">Let's see if this can be done with the game rules, because internal consistency is fun.&nbsp; Given that Everest (9km) is about 450 times the height of a colossal creature, we can expand out the table of penalties to hide checks.&nbsp; The final number is .&nbsp; -16-4*450 =-1816 to hide checks.&nbsp; It automatically is considered to have rolled a 1 on its check, and has a dex of 0, giving a total of -1820 to hiding.&nbsp; Well, you get a -1 to spot something per 10 feet of distance.&nbsp; This translates to 18200 feet, or five miles if the mountain is hiding.&nbsp; It could only hide if it had concealment.&nbsp; Let's assume that it's behind fog (the only thing big enough for it to possibly hide behind), which reduces a normal 240 feet of sight (for an elf) to 5 feet.&nbsp; That's a factor of 48.&nbsp; So when not hiding, the mountain can be seen from 240 miles away.A spyglass magnifies objects to twice their size, so by the inverse square rule you could see the mountain through a spyglass from 240*sqrt(2) = 340 miles awayMoral of the story: the rules don't work very well for modeling this kind of stuff, but you can fudge them so the numbers come out decently.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slife, post: 4105670, member: 16347"] Let's see if this can be done with the game rules, because internal consistency is fun. Given that Everest (9km) is about 450 times the height of a colossal creature, we can expand out the table of penalties to hide checks. The final number is . -16-4*450 =-1816 to hide checks. It automatically is considered to have rolled a 1 on its check, and has a dex of 0, giving a total of -1820 to hiding. Well, you get a -1 to spot something per 10 feet of distance. This translates to 18200 feet, or five miles if the mountain is hiding. It could only hide if it had concealment. Let's assume that it's behind fog (the only thing big enough for it to possibly hide behind), which reduces a normal 240 feet of sight (for an elf) to 5 feet. That's a factor of 48. So when not hiding, the mountain can be seen from 240 miles away. A spyglass magnifies objects to twice their size, so by the inverse square rule you could see the mountain through a spyglass from 240*sqrt(2) = 340 miles away Moral of the story: the rules don't work very well for modeling this kind of stuff, but you can fudge them so the numbers come out decently. [/QUOTE]

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