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<blockquote data-quote="renau1g" data-source="post: 5155812" data-attributes="member: 54810"><p>Apologies to Lich for the rudeness. Thanks Umbran & PCat. </p><p></p><p>How would you suggest than to analyze the effect of a twin striking rogue? I'm curious. I do miss how the average damage is between 17 and 200 though...</p><p></p><p>Here's the DPR analysis from the CO PC I grabbed as an example of OP'd Half-elf. You are saying that this is incorrect right? Like I mentioned, I really am interested how you would evaluate it. </p><p></p><p>[sblock=ooc]</p><p>I ran some calculation in dpr for lvl 12 :</p><p>Spoiler: Hide</p><p></p><p>I'm using two +3 Bloodiron daggers in order to maximise crit damage : +3d10 x2 extra damage, the second part is applyed at the start of your next turn.</p><p></p><p>Bonus to hit = +4 (stat) + 6 (lvl) + 4 (dagger+rogue) + 3 (weapon enh) + 1 (weap expert.) = +18</p><p>You've got +18 to hit at lvl 12, meaning +21 to hit with CA (nimble blade). Taking that a middle AC for lvl 12 is 26, that makes hit on 5+.</p><p></p><p>Hit chances :</p><p>2 miss = 16 * .25 = 4%</p><p>1 hit, 1 miss = 104 * .25 = 26%</p><p>2 hit = 169 * .25 = 42.25%</p><p>1 miss, 1 crit = 24 * .25 = 6%</p><p>1 hit, 1 crit = 78 * .25 = 19.5%</p><p>2 crit = 9 * .25 = 2.25%</p><p></p><p>Sneack attack = 3d8 + 4 , average 17.5, max 28</p><p></p><p>Damage on hit = 1d4 + 3 (weap. enh.) + 2 (weap. focus) = 1d4 + 5 (wow not so great huh?) = 7.5 average</p><p>Damage on crit = 9 + 3d10*2 = 42 average</p><p>Damage on crit with crit feats = 9 + 2d4 + 1d10 + 3d10*2 = 52.5 average</p><p></p><p>Twin strike + sneack attack average damage chart:</p><p>2 miss = 0</p><p>1 hit, 1 miss = 5 + 1d4 + 3d8 + 4 = 25</p><p>2 hits = 10 + 2d4 + 3d8 + 4 = 37.5</p><p>1 miss, 1 crit = 37 + 2d4+1d10+3d10*2 = 70 (80.5 with crit feats)</p><p>1 hit, 1 crit = 42 + 3d4 +1d10+3d10*2 = 77.5 (88)</p><p>2 crits = 46 + 4d4 + 2d10+6d10*2 = 112 (133)</p><p></p><p>I ran 4 builds dpr calc:</p><p>Without weap focus nor crit feats = 0 + 5.98 + 14.15375 + 4.08 + 14.3325 + 2.43 = 40.97 dpr</p><p>Without weap focus but with crit feats = 0 + 5.98 + 14.15375 + 4.71 + 16.38 + 2.9025 = 44.12 dpr</p><p>With weapon focus alone = 0 + 6.5 + 15.84375 + 4.2 + 15.1125 + 2.52 = 44.17 dpr</p><p>With both weap focus and crit feats = 0 + 6.5 + 15.84375 + 4.83 + 17.16 + 2.9925 = 47.32 dpr</p><p></p><p>As you can see, weapon focus alone outbreak the use of devastating critical + rogue weapon mastery: +3,20 dpr vs +3,15 dpr[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the link to volatility Lich <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I do happen to have gone for schooling for that though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="renau1g, post: 5155812, member: 54810"] Apologies to Lich for the rudeness. Thanks Umbran & PCat. How would you suggest than to analyze the effect of a twin striking rogue? I'm curious. I do miss how the average damage is between 17 and 200 though... Here's the DPR analysis from the CO PC I grabbed as an example of OP'd Half-elf. You are saying that this is incorrect right? Like I mentioned, I really am interested how you would evaluate it. [sblock=ooc] I ran some calculation in dpr for lvl 12 : Spoiler: Hide I'm using two +3 Bloodiron daggers in order to maximise crit damage : +3d10 x2 extra damage, the second part is applyed at the start of your next turn. Bonus to hit = +4 (stat) + 6 (lvl) + 4 (dagger+rogue) + 3 (weapon enh) + 1 (weap expert.) = +18 You've got +18 to hit at lvl 12, meaning +21 to hit with CA (nimble blade). Taking that a middle AC for lvl 12 is 26, that makes hit on 5+. Hit chances : 2 miss = 16 * .25 = 4% 1 hit, 1 miss = 104 * .25 = 26% 2 hit = 169 * .25 = 42.25% 1 miss, 1 crit = 24 * .25 = 6% 1 hit, 1 crit = 78 * .25 = 19.5% 2 crit = 9 * .25 = 2.25% Sneack attack = 3d8 + 4 , average 17.5, max 28 Damage on hit = 1d4 + 3 (weap. enh.) + 2 (weap. focus) = 1d4 + 5 (wow not so great huh?) = 7.5 average Damage on crit = 9 + 3d10*2 = 42 average Damage on crit with crit feats = 9 + 2d4 + 1d10 + 3d10*2 = 52.5 average Twin strike + sneack attack average damage chart: 2 miss = 0 1 hit, 1 miss = 5 + 1d4 + 3d8 + 4 = 25 2 hits = 10 + 2d4 + 3d8 + 4 = 37.5 1 miss, 1 crit = 37 + 2d4+1d10+3d10*2 = 70 (80.5 with crit feats) 1 hit, 1 crit = 42 + 3d4 +1d10+3d10*2 = 77.5 (88) 2 crits = 46 + 4d4 + 2d10+6d10*2 = 112 (133) I ran 4 builds dpr calc: Without weap focus nor crit feats = 0 + 5.98 + 14.15375 + 4.08 + 14.3325 + 2.43 = 40.97 dpr Without weap focus but with crit feats = 0 + 5.98 + 14.15375 + 4.71 + 16.38 + 2.9025 = 44.12 dpr With weapon focus alone = 0 + 6.5 + 15.84375 + 4.2 + 15.1125 + 2.52 = 44.17 dpr With both weap focus and crit feats = 0 + 6.5 + 15.84375 + 4.83 + 17.16 + 2.9925 = 47.32 dpr As you can see, weapon focus alone outbreak the use of devastating critical + rogue weapon mastery: +3,20 dpr vs +3,15 dpr[/sblock] Thanks for the link to volatility Lich ;) I do happen to have gone for schooling for that though. [/QUOTE]
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