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<blockquote data-quote="joethelawyer" data-source="post: 4422624" data-attributes="member: 55764">nah.&nbsp; it wasnt like that for me or my friends.&nbsp; i liked the weapon speed, but we didnt use the weapon types v armor thing.&nbsp; &nbsp; and we never even consuidered minis or a grid.&nbsp; not neededtypical example:&nbsp; dm: &quot;ok, .aragorn the ranger, 2 orcs are near you this round.&nbsp; what are you gonna do?&quot;gandolf the wizard asks dm &quot;how many can i blast with a fireball?&nbsp; i want to kill as many as i can without hitting the rest of the group.&quot;&nbsp; dm figures out an arbitrary number, based on how the combat is going for the group, and how he wants it to go, and announces &quot;5.&quot;ranger declares &quot;ok, i want to swing at one of them, then jump out of the way before the wizard gets off the fireball so that he can toast more of them&quot;dm says &quot;dex check with a -5 penalty, wizard will still cast it, good luck getting out of the range of it.&quot;in 3e, that would have been the cleave feat for the double attack, assuming he killed the orc in one shot, or the spring attack thing for getting out of the way, or using some sort of measurement system on a piece of gridded paper to figure out exactly where everyone is for the wizard spell, taking up time, plus attack or opportunity against the ranger for ducking out of the way, not counting the dealing with the potential flanking situation with the two orcs, and especially if one is a rogue.&nbsp; what a pain in the arse.&nbsp; not to mention there would have likely bveen only one attack per character per round, not multiple attacks, the latter of which probably would not have hit due to the penalties.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="joethelawyer, post: 4422624, member: 55764"] nah. it wasnt like that for me or my friends. i liked the weapon speed, but we didnt use the weapon types v armor thing. and we never even consuidered minis or a grid. not needed typical example: dm: "ok, .aragorn the ranger, 2 orcs are near you this round. what are you gonna do?" gandolf the wizard asks dm "how many can i blast with a fireball? i want to kill as many as i can without hitting the rest of the group." dm figures out an arbitrary number, based on how the combat is going for the group, and how he wants it to go, and announces "5." ranger declares "ok, i want to swing at one of them, then jump out of the way before the wizard gets off the fireball so that he can toast more of them" dm says "dex check with a -5 penalty, wizard will still cast it, good luck getting out of the range of it." in 3e, that would have been the cleave feat for the double attack, assuming he killed the orc in one shot, or the spring attack thing for getting out of the way, or using some sort of measurement system on a piece of gridded paper to figure out exactly where everyone is for the wizard spell, taking up time, plus attack or opportunity against the ranger for ducking out of the way, not counting the dealing with the potential flanking situation with the two orcs, and especially if one is a rogue. what a pain in the arse. not to mention there would have likely bveen only one attack per character per round, not multiple attacks, the latter of which probably would not have hit due to the penalties. [/QUOTE]

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