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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Carnivorous_Bean" data-source="post: 4426267" data-attributes="member: 57974">In the first place, he's not claiming that 4th edition is not D&D. Don't try to change the focus of the argument by claiming that he's saying something that he isn't. He's saying that 4th edition is more strongly branded than other editions, which, although probably debatable on several grounds, is still a far cry from saying that it's not D&D. It seems like your last statement is already misdirecting other people into attacking for saying 4th edition isn't D&D, when he hasn't said that or even implied it, simply that they're making it less generic and more branded. In the second place, what campaign of the past can I not do in ANY system? I can run, say, Planescape with 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, Palladium Megaversal, White Wolf's Storyteller, Fudge, Saga, d6, GURPS, Rolemaster, etc.  That doesn't make them all generic, although some of them are -- it just means that with enough hacking, twisting, and stretching, you can force any ruleset into depicting the story you want. So your argument -- "so, enlighten me. What campaign of the past can I absolutely not do in 4e?" -- is so generalized that it's true no matter what system names you put in -- and it's therefore always correct, and therefore, essentially useless, IMO, in determining whether D&D 4e is more strongly branded than previous editions.  It's like saying "horses and 747s both exist, so how can you say that 747s are more strongly branded to Boeing than horses are, since I can travel between two destinations using either a horse or a 747?"</blockquote>

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