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<blockquote data-quote="Horwath" data-source="post: 8621185" data-attributes="member: 6801299">4E did have good things that made into 5e in some way or the other.At-will cantrips; yeah it's hot topic about power level of them, but IMHO it's not a big deal. And it sure feel a lot better as caster to throw some minor damage with a spell than with a crossbow. And even on 11th level, if you are throwing 3d10 firebolts, you are doing something very suboptimal with you Action.Healing surges;We got HD healing instead, I would say that 4E did it betterShort rest;we got that too, still 4E did it better with 5 min instead of 1hr.but, there is lots wrong with 4E.Number treadmill: with +1/2 level base increase, ASIs, feats and up to +6 items, you get almost +1 every level on attack and defenses.That was crazy.funny thing is that 4E works a lot better when you remove +1/2 per level(enter homebrew bounded accuracy before it was cool)but, probably the worst was presentation, they tried to make 4E look like a video game,we have video games, we want a table top RPG, not PCRPG.also all spell description was very short, basically row of numbers without any description, fluff. nothing3.5e Fireball:[ATTACH=full]156411[/ATTACH]Fireball 4E:[ATTACH=full]156412[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Horwath, post: 8621185, member: 6801299"] 4E did have good things that made into 5e in some way or the other. At-will cantrips; yeah it's hot topic about power level of them, but IMHO it's not a big deal. And it sure feel a lot better as caster to throw some minor damage with a spell than with a crossbow. And even on 11th level, if you are throwing 3d10 firebolts, you are doing something very suboptimal with you Action. Healing surges; We got HD healing instead, I would say that 4E did it better Short rest; we got that too, still 4E did it better with 5 min instead of 1hr. but, there is lots wrong with 4E. Number treadmill: with +1/2 level base increase, ASIs, feats and up to +6 items, you get almost +1 every level on attack and defenses. That was crazy. funny thing is that 4E works a lot better when you remove +1/2 per level(enter homebrew bounded accuracy before it was cool) but, probably the worst was presentation, they tried to make 4E look like a video game, we have video games, we want a table top RPG, not PCRPG. also all spell description was very short, basically row of numbers without any description, fluff. nothing 3.5e Fireball: [ATTACH type="full"]156411[/ATTACH] Fireball 4E: [ATTACH type="full"]156412[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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