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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8621287" data-attributes="member: 7032025">I honestly would not say that. I played a lot of wargames and 4e stayed really at a level way below most wargames. And it was Gygax/Arneson's stroke of genius to create TTRPGs out of the wargame anyway, so...Maybe, but I'm not sure. It's just for me, that war is such a common background of a lot of settings, campaigns, and games that is seems natural to want to model it so that you can &quot;simulate&quot; a lot of the genre. There can be no LotR without Helm's Deep, Minas Tirith and the Black Gate. No Stormlight Archives without the Shattered Plains, etc. and it's the same for most books from the old ones to the new.As for me, I have always, in all editions, created games sometimes centered on war, so I have done battle and armies simulations. But I've done that using the BECMI war machine which is as far as a wargame as possible, it's theater of the mind based, totally scalable and totally integral to the PC stories. I used it a lot in Avernus, the PCs have been commanders of legions of devils and others, and still it's really not back to chainmail and fantasy wargames, nothing in common with that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8621287, member: 7032025"] I honestly would not say that. I played a lot of wargames and 4e stayed really at a level way below most wargames. And it was Gygax/Arneson's stroke of genius to create TTRPGs out of the wargame anyway, so... Maybe, but I'm not sure. It's just for me, that war is such a common background of a lot of settings, campaigns, and games that is seems natural to want to model it so that you can "simulate" a lot of the genre. There can be no LotR without Helm's Deep, Minas Tirith and the Black Gate. No Stormlight Archives without the Shattered Plains, etc. and it's the same for most books from the old ones to the new. As for me, I have always, in all editions, created games sometimes centered on war, so I have done battle and armies simulations. But I've done that using the BECMI war machine which is as far as a wargame as possible, it's theater of the mind based, totally scalable and totally integral to the PC stories. I used it a lot in Avernus, the PCs have been commanders of legions of devils and others, and still it's really not back to chainmail and fantasy wargames, nothing in common with that. [/QUOTE]

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