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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8622241" data-attributes="member: 6877472">I mean, obviously, 5e doesn't support uberchargers or anything ridiculous, but high level spells that can trivialize or end encounters outright still exist.&nbsp; Concentration only goes so far, right?See I never had problems tracking all fiddly numbers on my sheet (though I understand why some people did!&nbsp; It's attack bonus vs. Thac0 all over again), since those numbers rarely changed, what buffs you received could easily be written on a notecard, and only an antimagic field was going to turn all the layers off at once.I didn't mind removing some of those options, but it feels like, as a result, monsters are made with the idea players aren't receiving a given buff spell.&nbsp; In Pathfinder 1e, the developers made a big fuss about Haste- assuming that most parties would have it, and making sure weapon using classes benefited from it.&nbsp; This however created issues if you didn't have the spell!I recently had it pointed out to me that a CR 17 doesn't mean what it used to be- at first glance, it sure looked scary, but then I worked out in my head how my level 11-ish Storm King's Thunder would fare against it...and the result was pretty well.If magic items are optional, feats are optional, and the designers don't even assume a given party composition, it seems like just about anything could throw the math for high level encounters out of whack in 5e.&nbsp; Yet I keep being told that's not the case, while simultaneously having the old hands tell me that 5e is easy mode.&nbsp; So my ongoing quest to figure out &quot;what's the deal with 5e&quot; keeps running into snags.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8622241, member: 6877472"] I mean, obviously, 5e doesn't support uberchargers or anything ridiculous, but high level spells that can trivialize or end encounters outright still exist. Concentration only goes so far, right? See I never had problems tracking all fiddly numbers on my sheet (though I understand why some people did! It's attack bonus vs. Thac0 all over again), since those numbers rarely changed, what buffs you received could easily be written on a notecard, and only an antimagic field was going to turn all the layers off at once. I didn't mind removing some of those options, but it feels like, as a result, monsters are made with the idea players aren't receiving a given buff spell. In Pathfinder 1e, the developers made a big fuss about [B]Haste[/B]- assuming that most parties would have it, and making sure weapon using classes benefited from it. This however created issues if you didn't have the spell! I recently had it pointed out to me that a CR 17 doesn't mean what it used to be- at first glance, it sure looked scary, but then I worked out in my head how my level 11-ish Storm King's Thunder would fare against it...and the result was pretty well. If magic items are optional, feats are optional, and the designers don't even assume a given party composition, it seems like just about anything could throw the math for high level encounters out of whack in 5e. Yet I keep being told that's not the case, while simultaneously having the old hands tell me that 5e is easy mode. So my ongoing quest to figure out "what's the deal with 5e" keeps running into snags. [/QUOTE]

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