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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8633706" data-attributes="member: 67338">It is why I am pushing for 2e hp 5e low numbers and 4e structure (with adv/disav and concentration) for 6e.2e hp BUT with a bump I should say... my most resent test was 3hd at 1st level then 1hd every odd level and a sethp at even levels... all HD lower no con mod to hpwizards start with 12 (3d4 maxed)FIghters start with 24 (3d8 max)barbarians with 30 (3d10 max) then at level 2 the wizard gets 1hp more (13) and the fighter and barbarian get 3 (27 and 33) then at level 3 they each get there 4th HD you would spend HD like 5e but some (not all) magic healing would be based on 'spend a HD+' or 'heal as if you spent a HD' but you would keep con bonus to hp recovered from HD.so a wizard gets to 20th with 12d4+10 (average 44hp) and the barbarian has 12d10+30 (avg 109hp) and lower ALL damages to go with it.  a fireball doing 5d6 (17) sounds deadly in that game</blockquote>