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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9218350" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I mean, it doesn't say that in the quoted bit - "Heroic Romance" is not the same as "Heroic Fantasy", and that was in 1969, before modern conceptions of fantasy genre really existed.</p><p></p><p>In another bit it does have this:</p><p></p><p>"High fantasy" often serves as a broad term to include a number of different flavors of the fantasy genre, including <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroic_fantasy" target="_blank">heroic fantasy</a>, epic fantasy, mythic fantasy, <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fantasy" target="_blank">dark fantasy</a>, and <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxia" target="_blank">wuxia</a>.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy#cite_note-11" target="_blank">[11]</a> It typically is not considered to include the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery" target="_blank">sword and sorcery</a> genre.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy#cite_note-:0-12" target="_blank">[12]</a></p><p></p><p>Which is directly contradicted by clicking the link for Heroic Fantasy which has no other definition than S&S.</p><p></p><p>I literally can't find a definition of "Heroic Fantasy" which includes Tolkien - only ones that explicitly exclude him. It's usually defined oppositionally to or at least contrasted with "Epic Fantasy", which includes Tolkien and Alexander.</p><p></p><p>For example:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://xigxag.co.uk/catalogue/genre/epic-fantasy-heroic-fantasy/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>And interesting attempt nuance the difference between Heroic Fantasy and S&S can be found here:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://pop-verse.com/2015/05/13/epic-heroic-urban-whats-the-difference-between-fantasy-sub-genres/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Heroic Fantasy in this case basically means Sword & Sorcery which has gone to university, signed a code of conduct and had a shower.</p><p></p><p>(Goodreads' definition is similar, though as with all genres, the audience's determinations are insane and relate almost entirely to popularity - any popular/well-known book will be in much larger genres than less popular ones.)</p><p></p><p>To be clear I'm just interested in this, not trying to critique your interpretation particularly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9218350, member: 18"] I mean, it doesn't say that in the quoted bit - "Heroic Romance" is not the same as "Heroic Fantasy", and that was in 1969, before modern conceptions of fantasy genre really existed. In another bit it does have this: "High fantasy" often serves as a broad term to include a number of different flavors of the fantasy genre, including [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroic_fantasy']heroic fantasy[/URL], epic fantasy, mythic fantasy, [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fantasy']dark fantasy[/URL], and [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxia']wuxia[/URL].[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy#cite_note-11'][11][/URL] It typically is not considered to include the [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery']sword and sorcery[/URL] genre.[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy#cite_note-:0-12'][12][/URL] Which is directly contradicted by clicking the link for Heroic Fantasy which has no other definition than S&S. I literally can't find a definition of "Heroic Fantasy" which includes Tolkien - only ones that explicitly exclude him. It's usually defined oppositionally to or at least contrasted with "Epic Fantasy", which includes Tolkien and Alexander. For example: [URL unfurl="true"]https://xigxag.co.uk/catalogue/genre/epic-fantasy-heroic-fantasy/[/URL] And interesting attempt nuance the difference between Heroic Fantasy and S&S can be found here: [URL unfurl="true"]https://pop-verse.com/2015/05/13/epic-heroic-urban-whats-the-difference-between-fantasy-sub-genres/[/URL] Heroic Fantasy in this case basically means Sword & Sorcery which has gone to university, signed a code of conduct and had a shower. (Goodreads' definition is similar, though as with all genres, the audience's determinations are insane and relate almost entirely to popularity - any popular/well-known book will be in much larger genres than less popular ones.) To be clear I'm just interested in this, not trying to critique your interpretation particularly. [/QUOTE]
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