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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8689729" data-attributes="member: 20564">I'm not sure that's an either/or - it can be an &quot;and&quot;.When I plan, I have thoughts on solutions and stuff so that I can place clues and foreshadow.&nbsp; But that doesn't mean that the players can't come up with great ideas that also work.For instance, in a D&amp;D 5th level game I'm running they fund out that the Evil Duke(tm) had invited/contracted with an Oinoloth to enter his body, granting him effectively powerful warlock abilities.&nbsp; The party couldn't just go directly after the duke in combat, he was legitimately in place and they work for the currently disposed real ruler of the Imperium who does not want to start a tradition of regicide.&nbsp; So the party did some research and found out a number of ways to push the Oinoloth out of the body, which would be the proof they needed to then deal with the duke.One of the ways was an exorcism on hallowed ground.&nbsp; Basically a number of successful religion checks while chanting the exorcism.&nbsp; Thinking about luring him to one of the churches and a fight where some are spending actions trying to do the exorcism.&nbsp; But one of the things going on was the Duke was throwing an Olympiad as part of his bread and circuses.&nbsp; And the party had a fantastic bard.&nbsp; So they disguised her, got her to sing the opening song and Ode to the Gods when the gods are invoked over the games at the hallowed shrine.&nbsp; Which she changed so the refrain was the exorcism chant, with a programmed illusion showing the words to everyone in big letters.&nbsp; Never expected, but sure that's a wonderful solution the players instigated.&nbsp; When they came up with it I had to think if it was an actual shrine and if it was hallowed, but it was easy to say yet to it to let them have their great plan.I do a &quot;Schrödinger's Plots&quot; - until something has actually hit the table, it's not &quot;true&quot;.&nbsp; I don't retcon things, but if &quot;set of facts B&quot; fits everything that has hit the table, that I can change from &quot;set of facts A&quot; if need be.&nbsp; And hitting the table is the defining point, not writing it in my notes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 8689729, member: 20564"] I'm not sure that's an either/or - it can be an "and". When I plan, I have thoughts on solutions and stuff so that I can place clues and foreshadow. But that doesn't mean that the players can't come up with great ideas that also work. For instance, in a D&D 5th level game I'm running they fund out that the Evil Duke(tm) had invited/contracted with an Oinoloth to enter his body, granting him effectively powerful warlock abilities. The party couldn't just go directly after the duke in combat, he was legitimately in place and they work for the currently disposed real ruler of the Imperium who does not want to start a tradition of regicide. So the party did some research and found out a number of ways to push the Oinoloth out of the body, which would be the proof they needed to then deal with the duke. One of the ways was an exorcism on hallowed ground. Basically a number of successful religion checks while chanting the exorcism. Thinking about luring him to one of the churches and a fight where some are spending actions trying to do the exorcism. But one of the things going on was the Duke was throwing an Olympiad as part of his bread and circuses. And the party had a fantastic bard. So they disguised her, got her to sing the opening song and Ode to the Gods when the gods are invoked over the games at the hallowed shrine. Which she changed so the refrain was the exorcism chant, with a programmed illusion showing the words to everyone in big letters. Never expected, but sure that's a wonderful solution the players instigated. When they came up with it I had to think if it was an actual shrine and if it was hallowed, but it was easy to say yet to it to let them have their great plan. I do a "Schrödinger's Plots" - until something has actually hit the table, it's not "true". I don't retcon things, but if "set of facts B" fits everything that has hit the table, that I can change from "set of facts A" if need be. And hitting the table is the defining point, not writing it in my notes. [/QUOTE]

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