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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5615014" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, the UA stat increment system was pretty meaningless. And yup, a character with all middling stats was a real curse. We actually LIKED the characters with a low stat (or two) just so you had some RP inspiration since it really didn't do your character much harm. Obviously it was nice to have a high stat (or 2, very precious!). The bland characters usually ended up with names like Tribord #3 or something like that... Eh, I think the system has to allow your character to excel BECAUSE of his strengths. We can agree you should be able to make pretty much any concept, but really that is largely true in 4e already. Perhaps to-hit should be removed entirely from the realm of any modifiers, since it is such an incredibly tempting optimization target. You could still have for instance a set of feats that gave out a non-stacking to-hit bonus, but just make sure there's one which is practical for every character to take, much like the Essentials expertise feats. Still, if a character is slow, weak, and frail it simply isn't cogent for the character to be an excellent fighter compared with stronger, faster, more durable PCs. Honestly this brings me back to the idea of eliminating the whole half-level bonus thing from the game. This would make it much easier to have mixed level parties for instance and just generally put level as an attribute more on a par with other things. The 'treadmill' goes away, which means things are more organic. You could also remove ability score bonus as the basis for attack bonus from powers, so instead you'd for instance have all attacks with bows using dex or whatever. All of these things would pull back reliance on high stats a good bit. Removing stat bumps would help a lot too, as now a 12 in some stat is respectable instead of basically laughable at anything beyond heroic tier. Sigh, I'm just going to have to write a mock-up of a system pretty soon and get all of this stuff out of my head... lol.</blockquote>

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