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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5615809" data-attributes="member: 82106">I don't think anyone is claiming that 4e &quot;is the same as&quot; 3e. Clearly they are different games. Just as you obviously may favor one some people favor the other.For myself I don't really buy, or care about, this theoretical argument that somehow 4e is mechanics that are just fluffed to this or that. Are you seriously saying that you think someone sat down and designed a neat package of mechanics, decided it should be named 'fighter' and then invented some fluff to support that? Seriously? I didn't think so...In any case IMHO RPGing is about telling a story. I'm going to tell story X. Now, maybe one set of rules or another set of rules makes it easier to do that. I'm going to tell it and pull in the rules I want to use that will make that easy. I did that 35 years ago with Old D&amp;D, and I do it today, and I did it with all the editions of the game in between. The process was different and the results were a bit different but really 4e still fits the same basic genre concepts that other editions did. I could really care less if saves work different now than they did before. I don't think comparing 4e to a board game like Descent is really sensible at all. You can use almost any game as a 'role playing game' but so what? Again, if I want to tell a story with players playing characters in the story that isn't a board game. It makes no difference where we get our mechanics from and if for some reason stealing stuff from Descent worked really well so what? It has nothing to do with 4e, which quite obviously is intended to be used as an RPG from the start.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5615809, member: 82106"] I don't think anyone is claiming that 4e "is the same as" 3e. Clearly they are different games. Just as you obviously may favor one some people favor the other. For myself I don't really buy, or care about, this theoretical argument that somehow 4e is mechanics that are just fluffed to this or that. Are you seriously saying that you think someone sat down and designed a neat package of mechanics, decided it should be named 'fighter' and then invented some fluff to support that? Seriously? I didn't think so... In any case IMHO RPGing is about telling a story. I'm going to tell story X. Now, maybe one set of rules or another set of rules makes it easier to do that. I'm going to tell it and pull in the rules I want to use that will make that easy. I did that 35 years ago with Old D&D, and I do it today, and I did it with all the editions of the game in between. The process was different and the results were a bit different but really 4e still fits the same basic genre concepts that other editions did. I could really care less if saves work different now than they did before. I don't think comparing 4e to a board game like Descent is really sensible at all. You can use almost any game as a 'role playing game' but so what? Again, if I want to tell a story with players playing characters in the story that isn't a board game. It makes no difference where we get our mechanics from and if for some reason stealing stuff from Descent worked really well so what? It has nothing to do with 4e, which quite obviously is intended to be used as an RPG from the start. [/QUOTE]

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