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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5616343" data-attributes="member: 957">Yeah.&nbsp; I know.&nbsp; That is a big part of my point.No, I'm absolutely not.&nbsp; I've actually been on record many times stating that you can not find role play between the covers of a book and the players bring that to the table themselves.BUT, the mechanics of a good RPG must support that.&nbsp; And in 4E they DO.&nbsp; Just not nearly as well as in some other systems.Actually, I picked the monk because it was the example Andy Collins used when he was explaining that they made this change.&nbsp; You need to correct him, not me.See, I love this.&nbsp; When 4E came out the end of &quot;the rules are the physics&quot; was praised over and over by 4E fans.&nbsp; And was one of the 3E issues that was finally being killed. Heh, not seeing the distinction between mechanics and story is part of the point.Why does my intrigue have to be about Arthurian knights.&nbsp; You are the second person to throw up this example.&nbsp; It just goes to further drive home the wild difference in perception.Politics works great in my 3E game.&nbsp; shrug.But, to be clear, I have ZERO brand loyalty.&nbsp; I left D&amp;D for better games a long time ago.&nbsp; And I swayed more than one group into getting past their brand loyalty and looking for better games.&nbsp; Then 3E came along and I went back to it not remotely because of the name, but because it rocked.&nbsp; Certainly that brand loyalty effect had benefits for me because it provided a foundation for that rocking system and the OGL to explode upon.&nbsp; But my investment was in quality, not brand.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5616343, member: 957"] Yeah. I know. That is a big part of my point. No, I'm absolutely not. I've actually been on record many times stating that you can not find role play between the covers of a book and the players bring that to the table themselves. BUT, the mechanics of a good RPG must support that. And in 4E they DO. Just not nearly as well as in some other systems. Actually, I picked the monk because it was the example Andy Collins used when he was explaining that they made this change. You need to correct him, not me. See, I love this. When 4E came out the end of "the rules are the physics" was praised over and over by 4E fans. And was one of the 3E issues that was finally being killed. Heh, not seeing the distinction between mechanics and story is part of the point. Why does my intrigue have to be about Arthurian knights. You are the second person to throw up this example. It just goes to further drive home the wild difference in perception. Politics works great in my 3E game. shrug. But, to be clear, I have ZERO brand loyalty. I left D&D for better games a long time ago. And I swayed more than one group into getting past their brand loyalty and looking for better games. Then 3E came along and I went back to it not remotely because of the name, but because it rocked. Certainly that brand loyalty effect had benefits for me because it provided a foundation for that rocking system and the OGL to explode upon. But my investment was in quality, not brand. [/QUOTE]

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