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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5616596" data-attributes="member: 957">I guess so.&nbsp; I see it over and over.Ok.&nbsp; It makes no difference to me if you personally go find it or not.&nbsp; You can take a &quot;see no evil&quot; view, you can go find out for yourself, or you can believe.&nbsp; It doesn't really matter.&nbsp; Andy said it and I see it when I look.&nbsp; You are entitled to whatever opinion you want based on as little or as much information as you wish to seek out.Shrug.&nbsp; The whole &quot;isolation&quot; thing just shows the problem.&nbsp; Quit putting things in such absolute terms and you will do better.&nbsp; They very intentionally adjusted the focus in a significant manner.&nbsp; Nothing was in &quot;isolation.&quot;Agreed.&nbsp; But none of your comments change the difference between the various actual systems.Hard and fast? Absolutely not.&nbsp; I think my example rating was clearly a simple concept.&nbsp;&quot;All?&quot;&nbsp; No, but over and over I'm told that 4E plays exactly the same as 3E.&nbsp; And, further, I believe most if not all of the people saying it are honestly and accurately describing their personal games.&nbsp; But when you say &quot;all systems&quot; you are completely losing the point.&nbsp; And when you say you haven't seen it I'm forced to presume you haven't been reading enough of the debate over the past few years to have an well informed comment.If my text comes across as SUB then I apologize for being unclear.I don't care what you opinion is and don't see any reason you should care what mine is.&nbsp; The question is, do you want to understand why people see it differently or not.But when you say you can't come close to Conan in 3E, you just sound laughable.&nbsp; &nbsp; Maybe YOU can't.&nbsp; I don't know.&nbsp; So that tells me a lot right there.My point is NOT REMOTELY that you can't do Conan in 4E.&nbsp; You CAN.&nbsp; 100%.BUT, you will be creating a really good game board piece that relates to other game board pieces in a manner that purely reacts mechanically.&nbsp; There are other systems that are far less tied to mechanical balance and homogeneous capabilities.&nbsp; And just to pick on one of my 4E peeves, your 4E Conan will automatically get better at everything as he gains in level.&nbsp; I'd call that wrong right there.&nbsp; But that is just my opinion.&nbsp; It has no intended bearing on your game experience.But, really, there is no point is sitting and arguing your personal game against mine.&nbsp; If you assessment was a quality view of the overall market, then this conversation would not be happening in the first place.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5616596, member: 957"] I guess so. I see it over and over. Ok. It makes no difference to me if you personally go find it or not. You can take a "see no evil" view, you can go find out for yourself, or you can believe. It doesn't really matter. Andy said it and I see it when I look. You are entitled to whatever opinion you want based on as little or as much information as you wish to seek out. Shrug. The whole "isolation" thing just shows the problem. Quit putting things in such absolute terms and you will do better. They very intentionally adjusted the focus in a significant manner. Nothing was in "isolation." Agreed. But none of your comments change the difference between the various actual systems. Hard and fast? Absolutely not. I think my example rating was clearly a simple concept. "All?" No, but over and over I'm told that 4E plays exactly the same as 3E. And, further, I believe most if not all of the people saying it are honestly and accurately describing their personal games. But when you say "all systems" you are completely losing the point. And when you say you haven't seen it I'm forced to presume you haven't been reading enough of the debate over the past few years to have an well informed comment. If my text comes across as SUB then I apologize for being unclear. I don't care what you opinion is and don't see any reason you should care what mine is. The question is, do you want to understand why people see it differently or not. But when you say you can't come close to Conan in 3E, you just sound laughable. Maybe YOU can't. I don't know. So that tells me a lot right there. My point is NOT REMOTELY that you can't do Conan in 4E. You CAN. 100%. BUT, you will be creating a really good game board piece that relates to other game board pieces in a manner that purely reacts mechanically. There are other systems that are far less tied to mechanical balance and homogeneous capabilities. And just to pick on one of my 4E peeves, your 4E Conan will automatically get better at everything as he gains in level. I'd call that wrong right there. But that is just my opinion. It has no intended bearing on your game experience. But, really, there is no point is sitting and arguing your personal game against mine. If you assessment was a quality view of the overall market, then this conversation would not be happening in the first place. [/QUOTE]

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