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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 5617012" data-attributes="member: 5038">With a minimum of 8pts (assuming no Int bonus), one an buy ranks, Climb, Ride, Jump, and Swim.  Give me time, and I can, actually, find posts where players state (not in this thread) that they don't put ranks in swim, because fighters don't get enough points and Swim rarely comes up. That to me is min/max or power gaming.  However, I did not mean to insinuate that the person I was responding to necessarily takes part in min/max or power gaming. I was using it in a general sense. Min/Maxing is a player problem.  If you have a problem player I suggest not playing with them. The example is  there to help players and DMs tailor characters abilities to background and assumes it will be done in good faith. There are further suggestions for such tailoring in the DMG.  Also note at the start of Customizing a character:"The rules for creating your character provide a common ground for players, but you can tweak the rules to make your character unique.  Any substantive changes, however, must be approved the DM".Further down, under Race:"The rules for the character of a given race apply to most, but not all people of a race". It then discusses how if a dwarf grew up among humans they would not be expected to have certain dwarven features.In other words, you should be tailoring to background/culture etc.  The reason to talk to your DM?  My guss goes back to rule 0.  They are, theoreticallly, going to know the cultures and what is plausible for their campaign. They are also responsible for ensuring balance among PCs.The tools and/or suggestions are there. If the DM is not willing to use them, find another DM. You and some others might assume that  they should be able to cover such things and a certain level of proficiency. I and some others hold no such assumptions- campaign setting, cultures, individual character backgrounds, and later adventuring experience are the determining factors in what skills thy should have and at what proficiency level.  And, Intelligence does do more besides skills ( I am assuming you are including bonus modifiers to rolls for appropriate skills). There are feat trees that have Int scores of 13+ as a prereq.</blockquote>

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