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<blockquote data-quote="Pentius" data-source="post: 5617070" data-attributes="member: 6676736">I'm sure that you could find such posts.&nbsp; And since not putting ranks into Swim specifically because you don't think it will come up is making a character decision based on a cost/benefit analysis, it could also qualify as min/maxing or power gaming.&nbsp; However, such a decision is to min/maxing as picking your character's hair color is to roleplaying, that is, it qualifies, but just barely, and that alone does not a roleplayer or min/maxer make.And that still doesn't address the fact that there was no reason to bring min/maxing into this at all.&nbsp;Except that no one here is having that problem.&nbsp; It's something you brought up.&nbsp; Not that I kick a player for not putting ranks in Swim anyway.Yes, I read the section.&nbsp; Yes, DMs should be willing to work with a player to ensure they get the best play experience.&nbsp; But it's still a false solution.&nbsp; I claim it doesn't work very well, you refer me to a section that tells us to just house rule it.&nbsp; But I'm not displeased because I never thought of house ruling it, I'm displeased because I would have to house rule it.&nbsp;You're right.&nbsp; I absolutely am operating under the assumptions that a given character should be able to cover given things.&nbsp; And that's cool that you don't assume those things.&nbsp; I still think it's silly that my hypothetical epic level fighter is in more danger from a shallow river than from the servants of the gods.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pentius, post: 5617070, member: 6676736"] I'm sure that you could find such posts. And since not putting ranks into Swim specifically because you don't think it will come up is making a character decision based on a cost/benefit analysis, it could also qualify as min/maxing or power gaming. However, such a decision is to min/maxing as picking your character's hair color is to roleplaying, that is, it qualifies, but just barely, and that alone does not a roleplayer or min/maxer make. And that still doesn't address the fact that there was no reason to bring min/maxing into this at all. Except that no one here is having that problem. It's something you brought up. Not that I kick a player for not putting ranks in Swim anyway.Yes, I read the section. Yes, DMs should be willing to work with a player to ensure they get the best play experience. But it's still a false solution. I claim it doesn't work very well, you refer me to a section that tells us to just house rule it. But I'm not displeased because I never thought of house ruling it, I'm displeased because I would have to house rule it. You're right. I absolutely am operating under the assumptions that a given character should be able to cover given things. And that's cool that you don't assume those things. I still think it's silly that my hypothetical epic level fighter is in more danger from a shallow river than from the servants of the gods. [/QUOTE]

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