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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 5617157" data-attributes="member: 5038">When it came to skills, I think all of the 2+Int  classes that did not have Int as their main ability had the same problem- not just the fighter. So, lack of skill points I do concede and the situation could have been just as easily  fixed with more skill points.I think one of the differences is that 3e is much more of a toolbox and it was left to the DM to institute the changes they felt necesssary .  However, they gave a lot of guidance.  For example, the PHB had the fighter variant example (and we saw more- especially, in the UA) . The DMG discussed training requirements (good for those finding 3e multi-classing to be too free), wizards having to find spells, and variant spell lists (including unique spell lists by deity).  Not necessarily friendly for new/inexperienced DMs and more work than some DMs want to put in, but for myself much more satisfying and rewarding as a DM and as a player.I just have the Los Angeles River and we get people every year swept away during rain season, because they go in the storm channels.  I don't know how deep it is, but it can get very rapid during a storm. Then, there are the beaches with the undertow that will pull even experienced swimmers under and give  them problems.</blockquote>