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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 5618919" data-attributes="member: 9053">I just wanted to make a quick comment about this. This isn't directed at KM specifically, but is intended to be more general. Of course if you don't like hearing about the problems of 4E you don't have to listen to or read them. This is in large part why I find myself reading the general forum a lot less these days, since it tends to focus on negativism when 4E comes up. That's why I don't read it, and why I think a lot of the 4E crowd doesn't come in here that much.And that's a shame, really. This isn't the Pathfinder discussion group or the OSR group or, well, you get the idea. It's the general group. My vision for a general discussion board is that everyone gets to discuss things, but grudges are checked at the door. A sort of "Casablanca with no Nazis" (with apologies to Godwin's rule).Largely this happens for every other rule system (obviously not exclusively, there are exceptions but they are rare--and I don't agree with them either!). The issue is that people just can't seem to behave with any sort of decorum around 4E issues.To me, this is a simple issue of respect. I have played a lot of 3X, and some Pathfinder, and I don't like them very much anymore. I could go on a really hateful screed about how bad they are for any of the common faults, but what would be the point? Plenty of good folks who have lots of interesting things to say about gaming play Pathfinder or 3X, and I'd be insulting them if I decided to come in and rail on their games in this forum (not to mention the Pathfinder one!)The thing is: there are a lot of general RPG topics that I find interesting and fun to discuss that aren't system dependent. I'm playing 4E at the moment, so comments I make about my game are going to come through that lens, just as someone who's playing Labyrinth Lord will be thinking in those terms.Here's the point: most (if not all) of the issues about campaigns, game sessions, classes, player issues, DM issues, races, spells, powers, encounters, monsters, traps... frankly you name it that you discuss about D&D are system independent. Each edition handles things differently, of course, but you're talking about a very similar game across the editions, especially if you compare D&D to other RPGs, even other fantasy RPGs. I can have a discussion with a Castles and Crusades player about how their game is going and we'll make sense to each other in a way that, say, an Eclipse Phase or Dresden Files game discussion wouldn't.I'm not sure if this long-winded post makes any sense, so let me distill it to this: while 4E players can simply not get involved with discussions about how their edition of the game is a board game, a MMO, too simple, too complex, not D&D, a superhero game or any other number of things, starting that kind of discussion is being a jerk. Don't be a jerk in general, okay?</blockquote>

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