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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5618996" data-attributes="member: 2067">Welcome, welcome, welcome, one and all, too the internet! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Ever been to a politics website? We're pussycats over here. Not that it's not wrong, just that you're not going to convince someone who thinks that 4e shot their dog that 4e is the sex. Likewise, you're not going to convince someone who thinks 4e is the pinnacle of modern design that it is a waste of time and effort. The extremes can't find a middle. You can't carry on a discussion with someone so polarized. The most you can do is try to find the reasonable position that they launched from, and try to talk about that...or just ignore it entirely. My vision for my life is that I have a unicorn that dispenses ice cream and a nightly booty call from Halle Berry. I'm slightly more likely to have my vision realized than you are to have yours. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> STILL: Good vision! Talking about a sometimes-emotional issue, to me, is a lot like driving.I can't control how anyone else drives. I can only control how I drive. My job isn't to stop other people from driving recklessly, it's to not drive recklessly myself, and to get the hell out of the way when someone is driving recklessly. Again, we're not so bad here. Politics. Religion. Apple products. People get crazy about stuff that helps identify them. To a lot of people, D&D is something they identify with. Other rules systems don't often have this problem, since other rules systems don't inspire quite the same level of personal identification that D&D can inspire. My reaction is generally to do some detective work to find the sane point that they leapt off from in a frothing mania. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Someone thinks 4e is a board game? Well, maybe it's because they don't like playing with minis and a grid, which 4e is pretty dependent on. Maybe a D&D that didn't rely on that so much would be better.Someone thinks 4e is an MMO? Well, maybe it's because they don't think 4e offers much choice, since so many powers are all about damage. Maybe a D&D that diversified the threats a party faced would be better.Someone thinks 4e is too complex or too simple? Well, maybe it's because it isn't the right complexity in the right places for everyone. Maybe a D&D that let you choose your level of complexity would be better (mearls's posts often hit this point!). Someone thinks 4e is "not D&D"? Well, maybe it's because 4e ditched a lot of the story elements of earlier editions. Maybe a D&D that embraced the tropes that people love would be better.Someone thinks 4e is a superhero game? Well, maybe it's because 4e characters always feel above and beyond the turnip farmers and town guards that start adventures in fiction. Maybe a D&D that embraced that tier of play more would be better.It's undoubtedly a jerky way to start off a thread, and it's undoubtedly an emotional over-reaction to something that's probably quite solvable, but it's almost always based in something that makes sense. It takes work to get there, and not everyone would enjoy putting in that work, but for me, discovering what people like or don't like about certain elements (and it's almost always don't like -- people are almost always, universally, on about what they don't like, no matter what the topic) helps me explore the diversity of the D&D player community. People have reasons for what they believe, even if they express their beliefs like frothing lunatics. We all do that from time to time, about things that are emotional to us. Good advice! But we're all jerks sometimes, especially about things that are important to us, and we all have to live in a world where sometimes, people are jerks. And getting all riled up and confrontational about it doesn't help the problem. You can't control how other people drive. All you can do is watch your blind spot, and maybe hide your drunk friend's keys before they try and drive home. Haters gonna hate. You can't put a cap on it. Learn from it, or ignore it. Deal with it, and move on. Don't let it drag you down, because that's the only way the hate wins.Oh, and to reward those people reading to Page 15, here's a picture of Halle Berry.<img src="http://www.highestfive.com/wp-content/uploads/halle-berry1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />You're welcome.</blockquote>

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