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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5619016" data-attributes="member: 6668292">1) Please, please, please don't put words into my mouth, assume I meant anything beyond what I've written (as you've assumed incorrectly in other threads, and I can quote those if you'd like), or try to twist this into some sort of argument.2) Let me go back to what I originally posted (what you originally replied to):3) You telling me that how I feel is wrong, or how anyone else feels is wrong, based on your views or experiences? Again, let me go back to what I wrote:If you don't think these are reasonable people, or assertions, or the like, feel free to say why. These are discussion boards. You aren't right when you say that their views are wrong. You are right when you correct their "objective" broad-based claims on the game, if it conflicts with your game.But, again, if you tell anyone "that's not entirely correct because of X" then I wouldn't expect them to change their views. I know that I have not budged in my assessment of the game based on our limited discussions. You can bring nothing intellectually to the table that will "correct" my feelings. Nor can you do it for anyone else, no matter how "wrong" they are to feel that way.I know you accept others not liking the game. I'd say it's probably not right to extrapolate certain posters' replies to most people who agree with them. Are some people malicious? Of course. Are some ignorant of the actual mechanics? You bet. Are they going to feel differently if you debate with them? Not at all.I see nothing productive about arguing about it. It's much more productive to say "my mileage has varied" and then expand upon it. For example, in another thread we both participated in, I mentioned that I did something differently than Hussar. Lost Soul inquired as to what it was, and after I gave an example to him, he found it interesting, XP'd me, and told me it may end up changing his view on something.I'd take that experience and apply it to this discussion. If I say "4e feels like a board game to me, and I don't feel like I can role play with it," then it's perfectly constructive to say, "that's not my experience at all. I was able to role play just fine, and I had no mental connection to a board game. I guess we had different experiences."However, if you said, "no, it's not like a board game, because it's X, and you're wrong about not being able to role play, because I most certainly have while playing it," then it's now just going to be an argument.I will not be sucked into an argument with you, nor anyone else from either side of this issue. Both sides have problem posts, both sides have posters who are inflammatory, and both sides have posters who have temporary lapses in judgment. I get that. But, again, anyone from either side telling anyone else that their experiences are invalid is just wrong. It's that simple.If you want a debate, there are plenty of people in these forums that will engage you. If you want to discuss things, I'm wiling to do that. You can champion 4e because it's a fun game that you and your friends can explore themes in. That's great. Please, do not try to argue with my opinions or my views without an invitation to do so. I'm not looking to argue. I'm looking for discussion.As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Very good post (can't XP again yet).<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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