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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5619091" data-attributes="member: 6668292">And asking me what I mean is exceptionally different from assuming what I mean. I'm not going to argue with you on this, or anything else, though.Those are inflammatory statements. You're right. And like I said, if this entire complaint is &quot;some people aren't reasonable&quot; then I agree. However, it seems very one-sided. There are multiple posters on both sides of this issue that make inflammatory statements, and instead of seeing people post &quot;both sides do it&quot; I get &quot;well, that side makes inflammatory statements!&quot;I mean, some people other than myself have said that both sides engage in it. And intellectually, we both know that they do. So, saying &quot;some people say this about X&quot; is a very poor statement, in my opinion, as it seems like you're trying to color all detractors with that argument.If that's not the case, as I suspect it isn't, then I don't see why you need to single out one side. I know you said that you see more &quot;4e isn't an RPG&quot; than &quot;3e isn't an RPG.&quot; I agree. I see more &quot;3e is for powergamers&quot; than &quot;4e is for powergamers.&quot;Both can be experienced. Neither are objectively true to the player base as a whole. I don't understand why it's &quot;some people say this about 4e&quot; rather than &quot;there are some unreasonable people on both sides.&quot;That seems, to me, to be a much more reasonable statement. One that is much less tinted with bias, to be sure. But, again, telling either side that their feelings are invalid, even if it's about something inflammatory, isn't going to change it.The best you can do is, like I said, say &quot;my mileage has differed.&quot; If someone makes an incorrect statement, it's much more effective to ask where they got their information, rather than to say, &quot;no, you're incorrect.&quot; Because, really, if they don't like the game, then them mischaracterizing it in a poor light is a statement on their personal character. You calling them out on making inaccurate statements isn't going to change how they feel.Some people are unreasonable. I can think of posters who are anti-4e and who make inflammatory statements. I can think of posters who are anti-3e and make inflammatory statements. I don't think these statements paint them in a good light. And, though many agree with their conclusion, far fewer probably agree with the passion of their position.There are unreasonable people. Why it's selective on this issue, at the moment, is something I don't understand.As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5619091, member: 6668292"] And asking me what I mean is exceptionally different from assuming what I mean. I'm not going to argue with you on this, or anything else, though. Those are inflammatory statements. You're right. And like I said, if this entire complaint is "some people aren't reasonable" then I agree. However, it seems very one-sided. There are multiple posters on both sides of this issue that make inflammatory statements, and instead of seeing people post "both sides do it" I get "well, that side makes inflammatory statements!" I mean, some people other than myself have said that both sides engage in it. And intellectually, we both know that they do. So, saying "some people say [I]this[/I] about [I]X[/I]" is a very poor statement, in my opinion, as it seems like you're trying to color all detractors with that argument. If that's not the case, as I suspect it isn't, then I don't see why you need to single out one side. I know you said that you see more "4e isn't an RPG" than "3e isn't an RPG." I agree. I see more "3e is for powergamers" than "4e is for powergamers." Both can be experienced. Neither are objectively true to the player base as a whole. I don't understand why it's "some people say [I]this[/I] about 4e" rather than "there are some unreasonable people on both sides." That seems, to me, to be a much more reasonable statement. One that is much less tinted with bias, to be sure. But, again, telling either side that their feelings are invalid, even if it's about something inflammatory, isn't going to change it. The best you can do is, like I said, say "my mileage has differed." If someone makes an incorrect statement, it's much more effective to ask where they got their information, rather than to say, "no, you're incorrect." Because, really, if they don't like the game, then them mischaracterizing it in a poor light is a statement on their personal character. You calling them out on making inaccurate statements isn't going to change how they feel. Some people are unreasonable. I can think of posters who are anti-4e and who make inflammatory statements. I can think of posters who are anti-3e and make inflammatory statements. I don't think these statements paint them in a good light. And, though many agree with their conclusion, far fewer probably agree with the passion of their position. There are unreasonable people. Why it's selective on this issue, at the moment, is something I don't understand. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]

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