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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5619920" data-attributes="member: 54877">No, I think that they have combined two separate things into one package, not logically, and gotten too invested in the whole thing being right or wrong.&nbsp; The particulars may or may not be right, but the combination is always wrong.&nbsp; You get exactly something like this:&nbsp;1. I feel X.2. This is because of thing Y.3. X always goes with Y.&nbsp;Then if you say, &quot;Hey, Y didn't happen with me,&quot; they respond, &quot;How dare you challenge my feeling!&quot;&nbsp; But you didn't challenge their feeling.&nbsp; You said the relationship between X and Y was not always as they imagined it.&nbsp; However, since they have already decided that the thing and the feeling go together, any challenge to any part of the structure is a challenge to all of it.&nbsp;It is usually a lot more complicated than that in the expression, of course.&nbsp;In some people, there can be a psychological basis for this.&nbsp; Due to not trusting their feelings, people began to think of feelings as either &quot;true&quot; or &quot;false&quot;.&nbsp; (They aren't; they are just feelings.)&nbsp; They don't see that this always has the potential to &quot;invalidate&quot; feelings improperly.&nbsp; If the related &quot;fact&quot; Y gets conclusively disproved, suddenly, you aren't &quot;allowed&quot; to feel X anymore.&nbsp; But I am not a trained person in this respect, and have no idea whatsoever how common it is, much less the scope of the causes.&nbsp; &nbsp;Now, if you want to say that trying to point this out, in the specific or the general, is a waste of time--then I have to agree that the evidence is mainly on your side.&nbsp; However, as the people that I have known personally who have thrown this off have felt very &quot;liberated,&quot; it would seem to be worth the effort.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5619920, member: 54877"] No, I think that they have combined two separate things into one package, not logically, and gotten too invested in the whole thing being right or wrong. The particulars may or may not be right, but the combination is always wrong. You get exactly something like this: 1. I feel X. 2. This is because of thing Y. 3. X always goes with Y. Then if you say, "Hey, Y didn't happen with me," they respond, "How dare you challenge my feeling!" But you didn't challenge their feeling. You said the relationship between X and Y was not always as they imagined it. However, since they have already decided that the thing and the feeling go together, any challenge to any part of the structure is a challenge to all of it. It is usually a lot more complicated than that in the expression, of course. In some people, there can be a psychological basis for this. Due to not trusting their feelings, people began to think of feelings as either "true" or "false". (They aren't; they are just feelings.) They don't see that this always has the potential to "invalidate" feelings improperly. If the related "fact" Y gets conclusively disproved, suddenly, you aren't "allowed" to feel X anymore. But I am not a trained person in this respect, and have no idea whatsoever how common it is, much less the scope of the causes. Now, if you want to say that trying to point this out, in the specific or the general, is a waste of time--then I have to agree that the evidence is mainly on your side. However, as the people that I have known personally who have thrown this off have felt very "liberated," it would seem to be worth the effort. [/QUOTE]

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