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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Selkirk" data-source="post: 6344379" data-attributes="member: 6775377">just to stake out my position on this...i love d&d and bought the fifth edition (which i also plan on playing <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />)....but you have somewhat proven my point here. the game as written now is safe enough for a five year old and a 50 year old churchgoer <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />. but is this a good thing? playing it safe like this (and it isn't just the illustrations but the tone and tenor of recent editions as well...) is a recipe for boredom and the utterly forgettable. again the history of the game argues against this very thing...the game we loved was generally viewed as the realm of outcasts/freaks/losers. and it was and we loved it ! present day rpg conservatism rests on faulty pillars...and of course plenty of moronic assumptions <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />:1) the never proven, but always assumed, notion  that women and people of color like asexual characters and inherently fear/despise depictions of sexuality...this isn't true in real life why would it be true in rpgs? 2)that rpg's have an incredible amount of influence over the cultural development of children/women/teens/people of color...a picture of a buxomy barbarian in a phb has as much(or more !) influence on our innocent youth as a miley cyrus video-placing an outsized importance on 'scandalous' rpg illustrations is common in the cloistered world of the rpg blogosphere3)the thickheaded idea that nerds are less horny now than they used to be (accompanied by the clueless sniff of the moralizer-that they should be less horny...horniness leads to hairy palms etc....)...this assumption is patently and provably false <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> 4)rpg's should be all ages...why? should every movie or album that comes out abide by this same 'logic'? of course not. kids have games...adults have games. if need be release a d&d kid set .5)they 'had' to do it for market reasons...this is the worst of the conservative arguments (as it hints that the prude actually would have liked something interesting...). there are a hundred utterly boring and kid friendly games already. why not try to make something provocative and daring...make something memorable. if you do that and fail it was still a noble effort. the first dungeons and dragons games were exciting because they were different...not because they tried to be like everything else. they didn't do market research..a group of guys made some things they liked and they sold every copy they could print.</blockquote>

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