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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6344609" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>It wasn't the bikini part that got people worked up (since it isn't a bikini), but the fact that you could see her nipples <em>through </em>the chain mail.</p><p></p><p>While I agree that art like that really has no place in modern D&D, I think it's important not to judge that art through modern glasses either. Mail bikinis and all that were very much part of the times and part of the sword and sorcery genre, just like men with nothing but oiled up hairless musclebound chests and butts.</p><p></p><p>To slightly shift gears into the "realism" part, I don't put much weight into that. You know why? Because if you want to be "realistic", then you'd put STR penalties back on women. The biggest argument against that is "it's heroic fantasy, so those limitations are dumb." That's actually an argument I can get behind. But I have to apply the same consistency to other things as well or I just become a hypocrite. If someone wants to play with a mail bikini and someone else starts in with "that's not realistic", the same answer applies. "It's heroic fantasy."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6344609, member: 15700"] It wasn't the bikini part that got people worked up (since it isn't a bikini), but the fact that you could see her nipples [I]through [/I]the chain mail. While I agree that art like that really has no place in modern D&D, I think it's important not to judge that art through modern glasses either. Mail bikinis and all that were very much part of the times and part of the sword and sorcery genre, just like men with nothing but oiled up hairless musclebound chests and butts. To slightly shift gears into the "realism" part, I don't put much weight into that. You know why? Because if you want to be "realistic", then you'd put STR penalties back on women. The biggest argument against that is "it's heroic fantasy, so those limitations are dumb." That's actually an argument I can get behind. But I have to apply the same consistency to other things as well or I just become a hypocrite. If someone wants to play with a mail bikini and someone else starts in with "that's not realistic", the same answer applies. "It's heroic fantasy." [/QUOTE]
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