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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6929597" data-attributes="member: 6716779">The other thing by now is some of 5E warts or coming out as people play the game. For example there may as well only be two armor type in the game, light and heavy armor and the save system has never been great. This has flow on effects as they messed up some of the classes the beastmaster Ranger being the big one but they missed the boat on the gish concept despite trying at least 3 times in the PHB (Eldritch Knight, Valor Bard, Warlock) and with SCAG as well (Bladesinger).   So they identified that people like a Gish PC but the best Gish in 5E is the Paladin and some of the Clerics which is not really what people think of with Gish.A brief look at whats wrong with each Gish currently (a Magus or Duskblade type charaxcter would be nice). Eldritch Knight. Fighter casts a handful of spells. Doesn't really get nough of them to go around and is tripping over the action economy anyway but the class is still alright as the fighter chasis is very good. To much fighter not enough wizard and some of the abilites come on deep into the class like cantrip+attack.Valor Bard. To MAD RAW as you need around 4 good sttas to make it viable and even then you are kind of weak at laying the smack down with a weapon. To much primary spellcaster and you give up a lot vs the Lore Bard. Also not proficient in con saves so trying to use magic to buff yourself like what a Gish should be doing is very risky not that you have any good self buff spells anyway. Bladelock. Falls victim to MAD like the valor bard , can't use armor so be default you have to for dex based but you kind of need a decent charisma and con as well and you are still squishy. You end up dealing low damage as you can't use a versatile weapon or a shield so you are reliant on hex and getting to level 12 to do alright at laying the beat down. Not proficinet in con saves either so hex can be unreliable.Bladesinger. Two much wizard, not good enough fighter. Taking this class in effect makes you a bad fighter and a bad spellcaster. At least you have a way of buffing concentration saves like the Paladin. And all the gish types fall victim to the rules about drawing weapons and casting spells which is compounded by a few of them needing to be MAD and taking warcaster to not suck. And a lot of them do not switch on until level 12-14.  And they whiffed a bit on a few subclasses as well, Sorcerer is heavily loaded towards being a Dragon one with fire, the Berzerker Barbarian has issues along with the Elemental Monk. Some sub classes are so good relative to the others you are almost punishing yourself playing them and some are almost trap options like a melee ranger. New classes that would be nice Psion and a real Gish (Magus, Duskblade, arcane Paladin). Subclasses that would be nice. More options for those classes that did not get 3 or more archetypes.  Around a dozen feats would be nice perhaps ones not focusing on great weapons, polearms and bows. Some of my 3pp stuff helps with this as I have several rangers I can pick from and a Purge Paladin can lob fireballs.</blockquote>

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