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<blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 6935267" data-attributes="member: 518">4e was vastly easier for my kids group to get than pfbb, osr/tsr.d&amp;d and 5e presents the same issue even after 5 years of play.every class works differently with the rules.vancian casting&nbsp; and spell levels that dont match with character levels are two big ones. if you have never played d&amp;d, those are fubar. 4e aedu and power levels = character levels make sense.i wanted to bring my wife into our halloween game with the kids ( now seniors in HS). She knows absolutely nothing about rpgs, computer games, other than what.she has overheard when we play. When I triex to.explain some basics , she tuned out... &quot;sounds like math classes in nursing school...no thanks&quot;...d&amp;d in any form is complex. 4e makes more sense than most versions to people who have no experience whatsoever.after I told her how CoC works, she agreed to play. Much better system to introduce someone. people understand simple percentages and the idea of &quot;skills&quot;. Unfortunatey she wasnt able to sit in, but Im still tryingI will go with Dungeon World next time if I can convince her to try a fantasy game again.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JeffB, post: 6935267, member: 518"] 4e was vastly easier for my kids group to get than pfbb, osr/tsr.d&d and 5e presents the same issue even after 5 years of play. every class works differently with the rules. vancian casting and spell levels that dont match with character levels are two big ones. if you have never played d&d, those are fubar. 4e aedu and power levels = character levels make sense. i wanted to bring my wife into our halloween game with the kids ( now seniors in HS). She knows absolutely nothing about rpgs, computer games, other than what.she has overheard when we play. When I triex to.explain some basics , she tuned out... "sounds like math classes in nursing school...no thanks"...d&d in any form is complex. 4e makes more sense than most versions to people who have no experience whatsoever. after I told her how CoC works, she agreed to play. Much better system to introduce someone. people understand simple percentages and the idea of "skills". Unfortunatey she wasnt able to sit in, but Im still trying I will go with Dungeon World next time if I can convince her to try a fantasy game again. [/QUOTE]

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