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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5470234" data-attributes="member: 18280">Okay, can we stop here for a moment?  Because you are going about this backwards.Let us say that you, or Mearls, or anyone else, wishes me to agree with his point, whatever it may be.  That person wishes me to change my mind.  You may not call it a "demand"; I would say, if it is not a demand, you can simply accept that people don't agree and move on.But, here's the thing......Unless I already agree with you, if you wish me to change my point of view, you must address it.  And the only way you can address it is by understanding it.Now, I don't wish to change your point of view, as relates to the topic of the thread.  What I am suggesting, though, is changing your tactics in expressing that point of view.  In order to make Bobby Joe Bobber accept your "quality of D&Dness", you first need to understand what Bobby Joe Bobber believes that "quality of D&Dness" is....and it is a safe bet that if BJB doesn't already agree with you on all roads leading to Rome, BJB also has a different idea of what the "quality of D&Dness" is.IOW, until you are willing to accept that there may be no universal "undefined core experience", your mind is too closed to other experiences to determine whether there is one or not.It would be nice if there were one.That doesn't make it so.And I am not saying that there is not one.  Rather, I am saying that the exploration of what such an experience or quality may be must come before trying to convince everyone to accept that it is so.  The cart cannot pull the horse.It isn't.If that was the message, I don't think we'd have gotten off of page 2 (unless it were because of folks wanting to chime in to agree).  But, then, I have a fairly optimistic view of human nature!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />RC</blockquote>

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