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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5470659" data-attributes="member: 59506">This is why it's such a subjective thing. For you, this is absolutely, 100% true. For me, it's not. I've said it before, but I'll repeat in order to not be misunderstood - I don't prefer or play 4E. The complexity of 3E is why I like it so much. For me, that complexity is missing in 4E. That doesn't make it a bad rules set, just not one I don't prefer. But, when I look at the books, I see the same six attributes, the same attribute bonuses. I see base attack bonuses and AC (Defense) which work essentially the way they did in 3E. I see the same D20 mechanics that underlayed 3E. Some things may have changed names or use slightly different forumulas (i.e.: Defenses vs. Saving Throws), but all in all it simply seems like a simplified, homogenized version of 3E with the "Powers" system tacked on. For me, it still looks and feels like D&D...just lacking a few bits that are crucial to me. I feel that only Original D&D can objectively be called D&D, as all other editions are an evolution originating from that common beginning. However, one may also be able to make the argument that if one can chart the evolution of D&D through the editions by identifying common elements and progressions, then all editions are also objectively D&D. But if we accept the second premise, we have to accept that almost all RPG's, even if not branded D&D, also fulfill that requirement - as almost all RPG's have evolved from certain common mechanical elements and premises originated in Original D&D. But, since what we (Mearls and us) are really talking about is Feel - it's purely a subjective matter whether or not a specific edition, or any RPG for that matter, feels like D&D to any specific person. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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