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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lamia" data-source="post: 5470833" data-attributes="member: 93118">I think it's really just a matter of wording. I wouldn't say that 4e is not D&D. I would say that it is not D&D to me. That implies the personal experience aspect when I add the "to me" bit. I also realize that it is entirely possible for it to be D&D to someone else, I'm certainly not trying to be disrespectful or insult anyone's game when I say that.I will anecdote it up. My ex and I were both musicians. We loved a lot of the same bands and loved talking about music. (Thus the big tent we are all RPGers)But we experienced music in entirely different ways. He was a guitarist/drummer, while I was a singer/bassist/sometime keyboardist. If you asked both of us to point out what really defined a certain album, I would say the eerie harpsichord, melodic basslines, and haunting vocal melodies. He would say it was the sparse drums used for more impact and the way the guitar weaved in and out of the main harmony for a feeling of disconnectedness. Sometimes bands we liked would change members, and it would stop feeling like that band anymore to one of us. If the plaintive vocals are what define a band to me, but not to him..well, it would lose what it was to me even if all the other members stayed the same. I wouldn't even notice sometimes when a band changed drummers, but it could totally ruin them for him because he was seeing them through the lens of a drummer. Neither of us got offended or huffy if the other said "It's just not the same band anymore, to me". We fought about pretty much everything except this! We were both still musicians and understood how important certain aspects were to the other.I guess for me, 3x got rid of the drummer and added a backup vocalist. Then 4e got rid of the bassist and changed singers entirely. I can completely understand that it feels the same for others, and respect that. But can you see why it's no longer the same for me? On a side note:I really feel like the people here are lovely and not trying to personally attack people or have edition wars. It's just discussing the game through different lenses. I had actually stopped posting altogether on certain other sites because of the way I was treated. Here I've only had my feelings hurt once, and I'm pretty sensitive!</blockquote>

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