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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5471049" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>Close, but not quite.</p><p></p><p>A frequent problem with these debates is everything gets forced into absolutes.</p><p></p><p>When I played 1E and 2E, I loved them and played them as as "involved" "simulationist" games. Now, many people will eagerly jump on this and point out that these games were not particularly simulationist. </p><p></p><p>I would agree with them. At least, with the perspective I have today I will. And even with the perspective I had for quite a few years before 3E came along I would. Because I found much better games. I did the best I could with the tools I had and then I found better tools. That does nothing to reduce the fun I was able to create in 1E and 2E. It just means that once I found better games there was not reason to stay with games that were still good, but decidedly LESS good. (And, to some extent, my appreciation of what could be achieved was recalibrated as well.)</p><p></p><p>I make no claim whatsoever that 4E is unable to provide "involved play". </p><p>But, there are other games that do a head and shoulders above superior job of it. </p><p></p><p>The claim of "unable" is ultimately a straw man. It is able. But the people I was referencing find other games so much better that there is no point is choosing a game just because it too is "able". No litmus test, but rather a question of which is best.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5471049, member: 957"] Close, but not quite. A frequent problem with these debates is everything gets forced into absolutes. When I played 1E and 2E, I loved them and played them as as "involved" "simulationist" games. Now, many people will eagerly jump on this and point out that these games were not particularly simulationist. I would agree with them. At least, with the perspective I have today I will. And even with the perspective I had for quite a few years before 3E came along I would. Because I found much better games. I did the best I could with the tools I had and then I found better tools. That does nothing to reduce the fun I was able to create in 1E and 2E. It just means that once I found better games there was not reason to stay with games that were still good, but decidedly LESS good. (And, to some extent, my appreciation of what could be achieved was recalibrated as well.) I make no claim whatsoever that 4E is unable to provide "involved play". But, there are other games that do a head and shoulders above superior job of it. The claim of "unable" is ultimately a straw man. It is able. But the people I was referencing find other games so much better that there is no point is choosing a game just because it too is "able". No litmus test, but rather a question of which is best. [/QUOTE]
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