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<blockquote data-quote="Nagol" data-source="post: 5499375" data-attributes="member: 23935">That post was primarily in response to Hussar's notion that 4e breaks the overly cautious situation analysis paradigm offered by player groups when presented with what the DM knows is a minor challenge / fluff piece.If the 4e DM in question says as apart of a skill challenge &quot;You've made it to a river, it looks like a Athletics DC 20 to cross here.&nbsp; Heavy armour and weapons will provide a substantial penalty unless removed.&nbsp; What do you want to do?&quot;&nbsp; You'll could just as easily have the group try to determine if more is at stake than described as the 3e DM who says &quot;You've made it to a river. It looks like the Ranger (who has Swimmig trained to a decent level) can make it across without rolling.&nbsp; What do you do?&quot;The only real difference is the 4e world is a less harsh environment for low level groups (and conversely more harsh to high-level groups) due the level-appropriateness built into the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nagol, post: 5499375, member: 23935"] That post was primarily in response to Hussar's notion that 4e breaks the overly cautious situation analysis paradigm offered by player groups when presented with what the DM knows is a minor challenge / fluff piece. If the 4e DM in question says as apart of a skill challenge "You've made it to a river, it looks like a Athletics DC 20 to cross here. Heavy armour and weapons will provide a substantial penalty unless removed. What do you want to do?" You'll could just as easily have the group try to determine if more is at stake than described as the 3e DM who says "You've made it to a river. It looks like the Ranger (who has Swimmig trained to a decent level) can make it across without rolling. What do you do?" The only real difference is the 4e world is a less harsh environment for low level groups (and conversely more harsh to high-level groups) due the level-appropriateness built into the game. [/QUOTE]

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