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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5499416" data-attributes="member: 48965">This... EDIT: I'd also like to add to this a little... as I look through the 4e PHB and DMG... I've noticed that many of 4e's skills have set DC's for particular actions just like 3.x/PF. Does this mean that using the skill rules vs. SC rules of 4e hinders "heroic protagonism"? I'm also curious how you deal with this dichotomy. Why in a SC is an Acrobatics DC based on whatever the appropriate difficulty for level is, and described however you want (which I will comment now, not every 4e fan believes this is the way the DC's should be generated)... but using the Acrobatics skill alone to do something forces the DM to have all those things you rail against as hindering "heroic protagonism" (like width of beam being crossed, length of fall, etc.) and sets clear guidelines?  So one minute my character can balance on the single strand of a spider's web with a DC of 10 and then all of a sudden when he's not in a skill challenge he has to roll a 20 to balance on a narrow ledge.  I mean we are looking at 4e as a whole, just like you claim we must with 3.x/PF... right?  I mean I understand this discrepancy from a gamist stand point... having general by level DC's makes the game more fun and easier to run when you don't want to be concerned with the detail of simulating the world... What I don't understand is how these seperate resolution systems help to promote narrative play vs. gamist. Again it seems you are ignoring what contradicts your assertions about 4e and using the mechanics the way you want to promote your particular style of play... which is something that can just as easily be done in 3.x/PF.</blockquote>

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